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So when we last left off, Norman Osborn and the rest attacked S.H.I.E.L.D. and kidnapped Peter. After surveying the damage, Nick Fury decides to take in Aunt May for protection.

Meanwhile, Peter is being inducted into Norman's 'Six'.

Back with Nick Fury and co., Captain America once again calls out on Fury for commissioning the genetic experiments that lead to many of the villains' creations, saying that this was not the legacy he intended when he became Captain America. Nick Fury responds that Norman Osborn and co. would be trouble no matter what happened.

After their demands are refused, the Green Goblin leads an attack on the White House.

That's when the Ultimates' Helicarrier flies over ahead. "Osborn!" Captain America calls out.

# 6...

This is the big battle scene and it takes up the whole issue. So if you want to see most of it you can pick up the trade. I'm focusing more on the Green Goblin parts as he's the central focus.

Okay, so how big is the Green Goblin? In the previous issue he's tall but here he's a giant.

So Norman sends out Spider-Man to battle Captain America. Cap asks Spidey what he's doing, and he responds that he has no choice, because Norman will kill his aunt.

So I personally found this development to be a little disappointing. I found the concept of "Peter makes six" to be really interesting but in the end not a lot came of it.

So the battle wages on and the Ultimates manage to defeat the SIx. The Goblin is the last one standing. He continues to fight Captain America when someone calls out for him.


Norman accuses Nick Fury of shoving his own son in front of him.

So just as Norman is about to turn back into his human self and surrender, Iron Man shoots him in the back and causes Norman to get really screwed up.

So Thor returns after defeating Electro, with no one but Peter giving a damn that Harry just saw his father get shot down in front of him.

We then see the aftermath with the White House giving a press release on the "terrorist attack" on the White House lawn. There's also a bit of cover up going on, as they deny that there were any casualties, just a few bumps and bruises on the fine men and women of the Secret Service.


Date: 2011-05-24 07:22 pm (UTC)
mullon: (Jade Curtiss)
From: [personal profile] mullon
Captain America is so fucking badass at the end of #5.

Date: 2011-05-24 07:39 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
see, what kinda annoys me about this is that Cap of all people i think would care that some one shot a Father in front of his son...

he's redeemed alittle in that he tells Fury what he did, without punching him in the face, echos and shades of our Cap.

i still don't like Ultimate Verse, Ultimate Cap least of all... almmost

Date: 2011-05-24 08:18 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
On one hand, I do agree that the 616 Cap is more heroic/"better," but I like that there is a difference, and the Ultimate Cap is a bit rough around the edges. Seeing that kind of stuff is what makes the Ultimate universe interesting.

Date: 2011-05-24 09:42 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (Shield)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
Ult Cap doesn't really deal with aftermath; he's in many ways not a superhero the way 616 Cap is, they really are more of a government team. SHIELD agents in costumes. Cap's generally good at dealing with civilians when he has to, but I don't recall him ever going out of his way to do so.

I think it's not so much he doesn't care, as he thinks there are more suitable people than him to deal with it. I mean - you can see in the scans above. Peter attacks Cap; Cap's pretty gentle with him. Cap's also very kind with him in the recent issue of Ultimate Avengers vs New Ultimates, comforting him when he's injured and assuring him he's not an idiot. In the first issue of UAvNU, he's also kind and comforting to a dying soldier. But he's very far from a counsellor and he in no way has the skills 616 Cap does at knowing the right thing to say.

Date: 2011-05-24 09:48 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (vamp ult Cap)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
Come on. He can be really nice:
Also, Spidey's man-crush on Captain America is never not adorable.

Date: 2011-05-25 12:13 pm (UTC)
wizardru: Hellboy (Default)
From: [personal profile] wizardru
Oh,LOOK. Spiderman and Captain America being...I dunno..SPIDERMAN AND CAPTAIN AMERICA.

I heard comics used to feature those guys all the time.

Is the Cap in Ultimate Cap a different dude? Because the stuff I saw of that mini seemed like a totally different character.

Date: 2011-05-25 12:24 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (Cap on his knees)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
That mini was so unbelievably OOC I'm inclined to believe the writer never read earlier Ultimates, just had them described by someone who hated them. Steve is absolutely an extremely ruthless person who will put innocents at risk if he deems it necessary, but he's not stupid, he's not bullheadedly ignorant, he's comfortable with undercover work, and he's often been shown - as above - questioning and criticizing US policy. For Pete's sake, the main theme of Ultimates 2 was that US policy overseas, and their use of Cap overseas, had caused international instability and the Ultimates left direct Government control because of it! And we're supposed to believe after that Cap charges into North Korea in full costume after being told it was a secret mission? The mini had nice art, but the writing was a shallow, stupid, OOC atrocity.

Date: 2011-05-24 08:53 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Regarding the Goblin's ridiculous size-increases, remember that the Hulk is another offshoot of trying to replicate the Super-Soldier formula, and that we've already established cases of industrial espionage in the Ultimate Universe by the time this story occurs. We know full well Otto helped Justin Hammer while he was working for Osborn - And then Nick Fury states that Osborn made big noise about what Oz was going to do, except he was years behind and his work was getting sloppy when it was coming toward time to deliver.

So, methinks that Norman just might've hired someone to steal a little bit of Bruce Banner's work.

Date: 2011-05-24 09:14 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Does the Goblin predate the Hulk? I thought the initial story with Green Hulk was before the Goblin properly appeared? Banner was also meant to have been working on the new Super Soldier formula for years, as Millar wrote it in the Ultimates.

And maybe it's meant to be inconsistent on purpose? Norman can clearly control the change into the Goblin, so maybe he's able to control the mass, given he's absolutely huge on some pages. *shrugs*

Date: 2011-05-24 09:30 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (gone rogue)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
Hulk's chronological first appearance was in Ultimate Origins, when Peter was an infant. He killed Peter's parents. Banner, Hank Pym and Mr Parker were all working with samples of Fury's blood at a Government lab, and Banner tested the serum and Hulked. Sadly Mrs Parker was bringing the baby in to visit/collect Mr Parker. Fury found the baby; this incident is possibly why he's been so protective/tolerant of Peter.

Date: 2011-05-24 09:39 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (Cap catches shield)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
Heh yeah. And they were both Bendis too, right? No excuses.

Still, Banner's first Hulk out is before the start of Ultimates 2. Although I'm not sure why we're debating, isn't it stated in the text these guys come from attempts to recreate Steve?

Date: 2011-05-24 10:05 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (What?)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
I'm sorry, I'm not very clever today - do you mean you're arguing those things or arguing against those things?

Date: 2011-05-24 10:17 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (Cap on his knees)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
IDK about Banner, but I could certainly buy that Norman had been trying to get some Project Rebirth info - after all, it's supposed to enhance all abilities.

I think you're right about the size changing though. I found the art really uneven in this series - some panels I liked, but overall it was kind of sloppy I thought.

Ultimate Retcon Confusion.

Date: 2011-05-26 03:26 am (UTC)
nefrekeptah: (Default)
From: [personal profile] nefrekeptah
Yeah, you know how every writer (and every fan, for that matter) has their own take on continuity, from seeing it as a rich source of story ideas to an unnecessary, irritating obstacle? Ultimate Origins told me in no uncertain terms that Bendis' take on continuity is "fuck continuity, I write what a want." And that's including his own stuff.

Also, this and the first Doc Ock story pretty much established that Kraven is an even bigger loser then Shocker; at least Shocker was a recurring character in Ult. Spidey and got a sympathetic back story.

Date: 2011-05-24 09:15 pm (UTC)
misterbug: (Default)
From: [personal profile] misterbug
Note that Cap and Osborn are put into exactly the same panel-angle in those last two pages. Subtlety is good.

Date: 2011-05-24 09:27 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (Ult Steve Cowl)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
There's an almost identical little trick in Ultimates 2, where we get similar shots of Cap and one of the Liberators - the theme running through Ultimates about Captain America's genetic legacy is one of the interesting things about it. IIRC, Cap is the only person resulting from the Project Rebirth experiments who isn't either mentally unstable or full-on sociopathic. All these here, the Hulk, Red Skull, Fury, the Soviet attempts at supersoldiers, Nuke.

Date: 2011-05-24 11:38 pm (UTC)
nezchan: From Spirou et Fantasio a Tokyo (spirou facepalm)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
Genre-savvy my ass, can we not have the same damn story all over again how the monster being kept alive for study goes horribly wrong? Is that too much to ask?

Date: 2011-05-25 12:17 pm (UTC)
wizardru: THINK! (THINK!)
From: [personal profile] wizardru
It also doesn't make much sense, here.

You need data from his DNA? A dead frozen man's DNA is just as good as a living frozen one. That's the whole point of FREEZING HIM. And given that you just had him escape from incarceration and nearly MURDER THE PRESIDENT? I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time seeing how that makes any sense.

Date: 2011-05-24 11:44 pm (UTC)
ogrebear: Ogrebears Icon (Default)
From: [personal profile] ogrebear
I do like how some of the Ultimate Universe works, some bits are really good others a bit blah and then some total crap.

This falls into the bit blah for me; it lacks the charm of Spider-Man or the OTT semi-political stuff of early Ultimates.

Also didn't Washington get blown up by Magneto just before this Arc in Ultimate X-Men?

Date: 2011-05-26 01:56 pm (UTC)
blackruzsa: (superboy)
From: [personal profile] blackruzsa


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