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Captain America started his career as half living weapon, half propaganda poster boy. Since his return in the "Modern Age," most superheroes and regular Americans followed him almost without question. But Cap, while understanding he's a Living Legend, doesn't like being idolized. As two posters said elsewhere on this board:

[personal profile] stolisomancer: That was right after Heroes Reborn, IIRC, when Cap's return from the dead was verging on making him a pop-culture icon, and it was driving him up the wall.

[personal profile] valtyr: Yeah, it struck me as a bit unfair in Casualties of War when Tony accused him of playing on his image to get support - he's always tried to persuade people not to follow him blindly, and it's one of the reasons I like him. He simultaneously tries to live up to his image while telling everyone not to believe the image unquestioningly.

Of course, *constantly* being questioned is no fun either. Especially by a certain smartmouthed archer...

From AVENGERS #280, Jarvis recuperates from the beating Mr. Hyde gave him and reflects over his time in Avengers Mansion. Such as when most of the team left and Hawkeye, Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch joined up.

Now, having the general public adore you is one thing. Having your teammates do it is something else. To what degree Hawkeye was a jerkass smartmouth or was genuinely unhappy with how Cap was running the team depends on the writer.

Cap would/will always angst over Bucky, but it does raise a question: if Bucky was always blindly following Cap and never questioned anything, is that what got him "killed"?

In my personal fanon, Steve Rogers knows he's very, very good at what he does. And there are times for soldiers to follow orders, and times for those same soldiers to "speak truth to power." And Captain America knows that very often (outside a life-or-death combat situation) questions have to be raised. It is what being part of a team is all about. And Hawkeye can be a jerkass smartmouth.

While Quicksilver was "raging out" at that time, at least part of the problem was Maximus (Black Bolt's brother) controlling/influencing his mind. Also, the "traitor" part leads into a flashback where Ultron hypnotized Jarvis into betraying the Avengers as The Crimson Cowl.

Link to a page in the original story:

Hawkeye became the leader of two teams: the West Coast Avengers and later the Thunderbolts. In the latter, Clint had to deal with an entire *team* of jerkass smartmouths.

Date: 2011-05-25 01:35 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
and while a leader Clint was actually quite proud to have been trained by Cap.

Also it's generally shown that Bucky hanging onto that rocket was him disobeying orders.

Date: 2011-05-25 04:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mas
Wait how long ago did Wanda have her twins? By the art it seems to be a while ago.

Date: 2011-05-25 04:37 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] proteus_lives
Steve is and always will be the man.

He also never treated Jarvis like a servant.

Date: 2011-05-25 11:01 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drmcninja
To be honest, the entire Marvel staff rarely does either. I remember that huge Avenger comp they put together in the beginning of the HEroic Age to show off all the new lineups, they threw Jarvis into the Avengers group. I think typically, he's seen as far more than a servant.

Date: 2011-05-25 04:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] leoboiko
Has anyone ever done Albert/Jarvis slash crossover?

Date: 2011-05-25 04:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shanejayell
Do you mean Alfred?

Date: 2011-05-25 04:11 pm (UTC)
leoboiko: manga-style picture of a female-identified person with long hair, face not drawn, putting on a Japanese fox-spirit max (Default)
From: [personal profile] leoboiko
Indeed I did! Very sorry, Alfred fans! My brain doesn’t work properly before tea.

Date: 2011-05-25 04:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] darkblade
No, the written word cannot contain that much awesome in one space.

Hanging to the Rocket

Date: 2011-05-26 05:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nefrekeptah
Really? Because in Brubaker's run, Bucky got his sleeve caught and couldn't get off the rocket in time.

Date: 2011-05-27 11:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bradhanon
There was a scene a few years back, possibly Bendis-written, where Cap instructed some brusque uniformed types "You address Jarvis the way you would address me, is that understood?"


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