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Seeing the makeshift Superman outfit from the new Action Comics #1 bugged me for a while. I couldn't really place it for ages, though I knew that I'd seen something similar elsewhere.

The other day, the thought came to me: The Sentry. Not the yellow and blue costumed version, or the Golden Age version, or the Fabio that appeared in New Avengers, but the one from Paul Jenkins and Jae Lee's original miniseries (avoid the second mini).

Of course, if you already know The Sentry's story, that takes a lot away from the reading experience.

The Sentry is the story of a hero that the world forgot about, coming back into existence. Many people think that he's mentally ill, until they too remember him.

Even though his story ended up very convoluted, and he was unusable in New Avengers (though I'm going to post his scenes with Emma Frost later on this week) and he was the big baddie in Siege and his memorial issue was awful, we'll always have this neat scene here.

Superman, looking more like a Superman knockoff

The Sentry takes flight

Date: 2011-07-23 07:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shanejayell
Liked the first mini and one-shots, though I wish Marvel had just left it at that.

Date: 2011-07-23 09:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] proteus_lives

Date: 2011-07-23 09:28 pm (UTC)
flidgetjerome: Hark, a Vagrant #328 (Default)
From: [personal profile] flidgetjerome
This twice.

Date: 2011-07-23 09:40 pm (UTC)
thatnickguy: Oreo-lovin' Martian (Default)
From: [personal profile] thatnickguy
This...a billion times.

Date: 2011-07-23 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] abriel
Honestly I didn't think the Sentry was that bad. I thought he had an awful lot of potentional as a character, but then some lousy writers got ahold of him and basically murdered him, making him irreemable in the eyes of most fans (since a lot of Marvel messageboards are full of people who hate him with a passion and are not afraid to express that sentiment) until they had no choice but to kill him off.

Sad waste of what could have been a good character.

Date: 2011-07-23 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] abriel
I was okay with him, just didn't like what Bendis did to him. And I got tired of all the flamewars about him on all the messageboards. Honestly, I can't think of too many other characters who prove to be that divisive among comic fans not to mention inspire so much vitriol and nastiness from those who can't stand him. The only others that come to mind are Jean Grey and Batman. It made me want to tear out my hair. Yeah, you hate him. Fine. Not everyone does. Just because they happen to like him doesn't make them a loser so STFU. ARGH.

Sorry, just a short rant. I just got so tired of all the Sentry-hate coming up every two days on the messageboards I lurk on and I'm not even that big a fan of the character.

Date: 2011-07-23 09:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nickfury90
The Norman/Bob conversation is the best scene Bendis has written in years.

Date: 2011-07-24 06:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tacitoz
Wow, that really IS a very nice scene.
I've only read the New Avengers and part of siege in which he appeared, but that sounds interesting, too. (and the art on that miniseries is gorgeous.)

Date: 2011-07-23 09:31 pm (UTC)
flidgetjerome: Hark, a Vagrant #300 (HISTORY!!!)
From: [personal profile] flidgetjerome
I would have loved if he had remained as the original concept, the man everyone kept forgetting, and would turn up at the most random moments and places to help out and save the day, only for him and everyone else to forget again.

Date: 2011-07-23 10:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fifthie
The Sentry's potential as a character always went about as far as his first mini, because once you've made a character a mass murderer, you can't really go around blaming people for hating him.

Short of walking back that ending and revealing that the Void was actually a fear demon possessing him, the Sentry was never going to be credible in a heroic context that didn't involve him electively staying in prison in atonement for his crimes.

Date: 2011-07-23 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] abriel
I have to disagree. There are lots of other heroes who have been mass murderers and worse who have since seen redemption. I don't see how Sentry could have been any different in the hands of a skilled writer who actually knew what to do with him, as opposed to Bendis.

Date: 2011-07-23 08:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lucky_gamble
It's a shame about his fate. While i have no hate for the guy, he just didn't work in the Marvel U due to his Superman-esque power level. During the Civil War he only made cameo appearances even though he had the potential to stop the whole event. World War Hulk turned him into a plot device.

He would still be alive today (and might actually be interesting) if there were other characters at the same power level as him in the Marvel U.

Date: 2011-07-23 09:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] freezer
There's plenty of characters with Sentry's power level. The thing is most of them were dead (Thor), in space (Nova) or a Skrull (Black Bolt) at the time of Civil War. And IIRC, wasn't Thor kept conveniently away from Sentry during Siege?

Date: 2011-07-23 10:17 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] abriel
I was going to point that out too. I keep hearing the argument that someone of Supes's power level doesn't belong in the MU but there are lots of characters in Marvel who match Supes and then some...Thor, Hulk, Hercules, Gladiator, among others. That argument just never flew with me for that reason.

Date: 2011-07-23 11:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kashmirkong
True, but at the same time all of those characters you mention have been depowered/exiled/killed for extended periods of time to take them off the board so to speak.

Date: 2011-07-23 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] abriel
And who is to say that wouldn't have happened with Reynolds?

Date: 2011-07-24 06:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lucky_gamble
Didn't Thor and Sentry fight during Siege? If i remember correctly Sentry defeated Thor. Also don't forget the fairer sex in the power level game like Jean Grey, Scarlet Witch and Binary.
The thing is while all the already mentioned characters went through a phase of disappearing/dying/depowering, Sentry never really did. He just lingered in the background with no real solid standing in the Marvel U until the Dark Avengers. I take back the "he didn't fit in due powers" since u brought up some good examples. he was just a victim of crappy storylines.

Date: 2011-07-23 09:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] proteus_lives
Loved the Sentry art.

That concept coulda had wings.

Date: 2011-07-23 11:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] blackruzsa
I need to read up on the original Sentry (I know OF him but I never got to read him) but I always loved Bob, even at his worst.

Date: 2011-07-24 01:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] an_idol_mind
The original Sentry was such a good miniseries, especially if you can read it without the context of Marvel/Wizard blatantly lying to fans (and then basically publicly jerking off about how "clever" they were) as a publicity stunt. He went downhill after that mainly because no one seemed to know what to do with him once he got back.

World War Hulk was the problem of the Sentry in a nutshell. Instead of having him show up in issue #1 to deal with the problem, they had him spend four issues standing around trying to work up the courage to do something. (Although at least there was the satisfaction of seeing the Hulk smash his face at the end.)

Date: 2011-07-24 03:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pyrotwilight
Goodness how I loved the original Sentry. The story just felt so all encompassing.

It's just such a shame Bendis saw him and thought it'd be a good idea to take a character who was essentially Silver Age Superman and Triumph and then put all the effort to darken him until he was evil and then killed.

I like to believe that like the Phoenix the story of the Sentry is a never ending loop. Sentry's died right now but eventually the world will somehow reset and everything will happen again but perhaps better this time around.

Date: 2011-07-24 05:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sianmink

I like to believe that like the Phoenix the story of the Sentry is a never ending loop. Sentry's died right now but eventually the world will somehow reset and everything will happen again but perhaps better this time around.

Something like this?

Date: 2011-07-24 12:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] biod
Ringo Starr, intradimensional saviour of Rock.
Thanks for that.

Date: 2011-07-24 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] twigcollins
The panel of him lifting up into the sky never fails to give me the cold shivers.

It is everything I love about superheroes encapsulated in a single image.


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