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I am back! This day had probably one of the worst moments at the con, but it did have some good news. Also, we had one panel where DC DIDN'T brag about diversity! Too bad it was the Green Lantern Panel. But first, legality!
 

WE HAVE A BLACK GUY NOW!!!!!

 

DC’s ‘The New 52’ Panel (Friday Morning)

Lee says that having a beautiful wife made it too easy for Superman, and they wanted to restore the idea that Superman can’t get everything that he wants.

“Aaaaaand, right away, equating wives as prizes for their husbands. Also, NOBODY LIKES angst-y Clark!”

DiDio says that they de-aged characters because they had already “matured” and wanted the characters to be able to grow and self-discover, etc. He thinks that Oracle was in her mid- to late-30’s.

“DC doesn’t understand at all. I for one, LOVE Oracle BECAUSE she has grown and matured and developed. Apparently, people older than 35 aren’t interesting. I guess that means most of the DC staff isn’t interesting? Oh, that’s right, so it must be true.”

DiDio reiterates that Stephanie is going to come back. Also, Berganza (Ex. Editor) says that Oracle was a “big decision” but to have confidence in Gail. Also, there isn’t going to be a magic handwave.

“Yes, that would be nice. Too bad I don’t believe them one bit. With the compressed timeline, new younger Barbara, and the implication that her recovery won’t be instant, it looks like the Oracle character is going to be significantly truncated and changed

Jim Lee implies that Wonder Woman won’t be single.

“This can go both ways. It can show a Woman in a happy stable relationship where she is equal with her partner. OR, they can go the Classic/Heinberg route and hitch her up with a complete jerk!”

 

DC’s Superman Panel (Friday Afternoon)

JMS is running with the “Man of Steel, Woman of Tissue” idea in his next Earth-1 OGN. The woman will be okay with Clark being naked

“I wish somebody would retire that misogynistic idea. On the other hand, I wish they would portray women as more well-rounded than the Madonna-Whore complex towards sex, and I think showing a woman as wanting sex but not being consumed by it is the right direction.”

Johnson describes Supergirl as kind and funny and smart, but untrusting and in a backwards civilization.

“Okay, that sounds pretty good to me

 

DC’s Justice League Panel (Friday Later Afternoon)

Johns says that by having J’onn on the JLA, there is redundancy because Clark is already an alien.

“This shows exactly DC’s attitudes towards diversity. It’s all about quotas and tokenism.”

Wallace says that Terrific’s supporting cast will be very racially diverse. He says he wants his writing to reflect the real world.

“Well, good on you, but I still don’t like your writing. Also, I think it’s important to add that Wallace is one of (the only?) black creator for the new 52

Lee implies that the Atom is Ryan Choi when asked about diversity in the JLA.

“See, I love Ryan, but I feel like they only chose him over Ray because Ryan fulfills their Asian diversity quota”

Johns says Power Girl is still around, Wallace implies we’ll see Karen Starr in Mr. Terrific. Philip Tan says he can’t say whether Hawkgirl is still around. Berganza says “never say never” to Secret Six returning.

“Mostly good news, but now for the really bad part!”

A female fan in a Batgirl costume says she is upset about how the female character are not featured centrally in the Justice League books. The panelists say they are taking diversity “seriously”. Then they got into a little argument with the fan disagreeing. Lee mocks her by asking if she wants female characters to be “dead center or off-center” on the covers. According to the report, the audience was definitely against her.

“DC says they are taking diversity seriously, and then proceeds to use their male privilege to mock a fan who is rightfully upset about their hypocrisy. Furthermore, the audience, who is likely mostly male, is against her voicing her concerns. However, I applaud her for her bravery and courage. We need more people like her in the business. It reminds me of what Gail was before she sold-out. And she's completely right, because there used to be a time when we had a "Trinity" with Wonder Woman, Superman, and Batman as the Big Three. It seems to me that GL has now taken that position and Wonder Woman is going to be less important in the team books. It's also funny how the League supposedly has several heroines as members but only Wonder Woman shows up on the cover. And even in JLI, the guys are clearly larger/closer to the foreground and more central than Ice, Vixen, or Fire.”

DC’s Green Lantern panel had no talking about heroines or diversity

Date: 2011-07-26 04:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bittercupojoe
As someone who is straight, white, and male, I think this probably is accurate. So much of comics fandom is continuity porn that a lot of people will reflexively choose the characters with the "richest" history, and that's mostly going to be straight white males. The last "big hit" new character was Wolverine, and that's from the mid-70s, and he was a straight white male.

I will say that the trend over the last 30 years where they went from hiring wanna-be professional writers (some of whom went on to professionally write novels, etc.) to hiring wanna-be superhero comic book writers has really not helped things. As much flak as some writers *cough*Fraction*cough* catch for playing fast and loose with continuity, it's probably healthier in the long run. They probably both have their places, and in recent years the trend has reversed somewhat, but that's meant alienating the fanbase they've cultivated for those thirty years. And let's be clear, the fanbase they've cultivated is not the s_d fanbase.

I'll be honest, it makes me a little sad. Stephanie Brown doesn't really interest me at all (altho what I've seen of her in the current Batgirl run looked pretty fun), but I did think the Cass Cain Batgirl had some neat ideas, and a lot of Marvel's non-straight/white/male characters make it into my top 10 list, particularly on the team books like Avengers Academy. However, I know people out there loved both of the aforementioned Batgirls and wanted to see more of their adventures. I will say that I'm really happy to see Mr. Terrific get his own book, and it might be the first time I buy singles in 5 years in order to support it.

Ultimately, I think it's probably accurate that what DC/Marvel wants to do and what the market will support are two separate things. I think they would like to support more diversity, but the marketing research probably shows them it won't sell enough to support the decision financially. And before someone says "Books X Y and Z did worse than my favorite book and my book still got cancelled," they would do well to remember that it's not as easy as "this book sold this many copies and that book sold that many." Nextwave, as an example, sold quite a few copies and was critically and commercially successful (for a superhero comic book not starring Superman/Batman/Wolverine/Spiderman), but it didn't go past the first year because they couldn't put it out at a profit AND have Warren Ellis writing AND have Stuart Immonen on art AND Ellis only wanted to work with Immonen on it. When the decision comes down to something like "I can pay for two skilled writers and two skilled pencillers and all the other associated staff for two books that will sell enough to be profitable OR I can have one fo those two teams and put them on something really profitable like the next crossover or a new Batman book" then diversity is quickly going to fall by the wayside as a concern. It's not right, but it's how business works.

Date: 2011-07-26 08:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] akodo_rokku
I would actually say the last "big hit" character is Deadpool. Who is still pretty much a straight white male, but he's a LITTLE queer at least. Of course he's also insane which probably doesn't help.

So uh... progress?

Date: 2011-07-27 04:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bittercupojoe
I won't consider him a big hit character until he maintains his current level of popularity for a decade. He's big now, and has been for a few years, but it's been a pretty slow build. Remember, the Punisher was as big as Deadpool is now back during the late 80s and early 90s, but now he... well, he hasn't dropped off the radar, but he's not Wolverine-big (or Superman, Batman, etc.).

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