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I am back! This day had probably one of the worst moments at the con, but it did have some good news. Also, we had one panel where DC DIDN'T brag about diversity! Too bad it was the Green Lantern Panel. But first, legality!
 

WE HAVE A BLACK GUY NOW!!!!!

 

DC’s ‘The New 52’ Panel (Friday Morning)

Lee says that having a beautiful wife made it too easy for Superman, and they wanted to restore the idea that Superman can’t get everything that he wants.

“Aaaaaand, right away, equating wives as prizes for their husbands. Also, NOBODY LIKES angst-y Clark!”

DiDio says that they de-aged characters because they had already “matured” and wanted the characters to be able to grow and self-discover, etc. He thinks that Oracle was in her mid- to late-30’s.

“DC doesn’t understand at all. I for one, LOVE Oracle BECAUSE she has grown and matured and developed. Apparently, people older than 35 aren’t interesting. I guess that means most of the DC staff isn’t interesting? Oh, that’s right, so it must be true.”

DiDio reiterates that Stephanie is going to come back. Also, Berganza (Ex. Editor) says that Oracle was a “big decision” but to have confidence in Gail. Also, there isn’t going to be a magic handwave.

“Yes, that would be nice. Too bad I don’t believe them one bit. With the compressed timeline, new younger Barbara, and the implication that her recovery won’t be instant, it looks like the Oracle character is going to be significantly truncated and changed

Jim Lee implies that Wonder Woman won’t be single.

“This can go both ways. It can show a Woman in a happy stable relationship where she is equal with her partner. OR, they can go the Classic/Heinberg route and hitch her up with a complete jerk!”

 

DC’s Superman Panel (Friday Afternoon)

JMS is running with the “Man of Steel, Woman of Tissue” idea in his next Earth-1 OGN. The woman will be okay with Clark being naked

“I wish somebody would retire that misogynistic idea. On the other hand, I wish they would portray women as more well-rounded than the Madonna-Whore complex towards sex, and I think showing a woman as wanting sex but not being consumed by it is the right direction.”

Johnson describes Supergirl as kind and funny and smart, but untrusting and in a backwards civilization.

“Okay, that sounds pretty good to me

 

DC’s Justice League Panel (Friday Later Afternoon)

Johns says that by having J’onn on the JLA, there is redundancy because Clark is already an alien.

“This shows exactly DC’s attitudes towards diversity. It’s all about quotas and tokenism.”

Wallace says that Terrific’s supporting cast will be very racially diverse. He says he wants his writing to reflect the real world.

“Well, good on you, but I still don’t like your writing. Also, I think it’s important to add that Wallace is one of (the only?) black creator for the new 52

Lee implies that the Atom is Ryan Choi when asked about diversity in the JLA.

“See, I love Ryan, but I feel like they only chose him over Ray because Ryan fulfills their Asian diversity quota”

Johns says Power Girl is still around, Wallace implies we’ll see Karen Starr in Mr. Terrific. Philip Tan says he can’t say whether Hawkgirl is still around. Berganza says “never say never” to Secret Six returning.

“Mostly good news, but now for the really bad part!”

A female fan in a Batgirl costume says she is upset about how the female character are not featured centrally in the Justice League books. The panelists say they are taking diversity “seriously”. Then they got into a little argument with the fan disagreeing. Lee mocks her by asking if she wants female characters to be “dead center or off-center” on the covers. According to the report, the audience was definitely against her.

“DC says they are taking diversity seriously, and then proceeds to use their male privilege to mock a fan who is rightfully upset about their hypocrisy. Furthermore, the audience, who is likely mostly male, is against her voicing her concerns. However, I applaud her for her bravery and courage. We need more people like her in the business. It reminds me of what Gail was before she sold-out. And she's completely right, because there used to be a time when we had a "Trinity" with Wonder Woman, Superman, and Batman as the Big Three. It seems to me that GL has now taken that position and Wonder Woman is going to be less important in the team books. It's also funny how the League supposedly has several heroines as members but only Wonder Woman shows up on the cover. And even in JLI, the guys are clearly larger/closer to the foreground and more central than Ice, Vixen, or Fire.”

DC’s Green Lantern panel had no talking about heroines or diversity

Date: 2011-07-26 04:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cleome45
So, cater obsessively to a loud, bigoted, hidebound, ever-shrinking base, and ignore millions of potential new readers and their wallets out beyond the confines of traditional comics fandom, because taking some losses now to win gains in the long run is just toooooooo harrrrrrrrd.

Well, if they're that hell-bent on commercial suicide, I won't stand in their way. [shrug]

Date: 2011-07-26 05:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Not too hard, but too unprofitable perhaps?

Given the parlous state of the industry, I'm not sure how many losses they could realistically take without imploding. Comics will never get the news-stand space they once did back. they're not profitable enough for the vendor, bookshops want durable TPBs not pamphlet comics, but that's what the whole industry is geared towards.

Date: 2011-07-26 07:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fifthie
Given the parlous state of the industry, I'm not sure how many losses they could realistically take without imploding.

Fortunately for science, DC seems intent on finding this out!

Date: 2011-07-26 10:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cleome45
I'm thinking they would lose money at first with a new tack, one that cast for readers with a wider net, but make more money in the long run. I realize that's an outmoded brand of thinking for most corporations, but there you go...

Digital stuff could bear fruit, but I don't think they should rely on only that. Gadgets cost a lot of money. Not every demographic will want to invest in them.

Newsstands are rare enough as it is, at least where I live. I'm thinking more of something like digests in big box stores. Archie still does this, I believe.

Or giveaways through some other venue. There's been a comic book hero movie released about every half hour this summer. Why don't companies actually find a way to (crazy thought coming) hand people at movie theaters a free comic? Why don't they advertise more to people who aren't already big-time fans?

They seem to be prefer doing more of what already isn't working, because it's what they know. They are (in the words of an Indy pro I knew a couple of decades back) determined to squeeze this thing to death because they can't endure the thought of sharing it with outsiders. And some fans are just as bad, TBH.

I admit that I'm morbidly curious about what happens, but I can't make myself really care. If they're going to be timid, stupid, and in some cases genuinely bigoted, they deserve to go the way of the dinosaur.

Date: 2011-07-26 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
They ought to open up an Everything WB store

Date: 2011-07-27 12:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rdfox
They had a chain of them in the 90s. The Warner Bros. Studio Stores collapsed horribly in the late 90s.

(Says the man who bought his Animaniacs production cel through a WBSS that went under six months later...)

Date: 2011-07-27 04:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tsunamiwombat
Digital comics still havn't taken off, purely because they're doing a SHITTY JOB of making them. You'd think they'd be all over the digital revolution like flies on shit - no printing or shipping costs unst unst unst - but instead they charge the same price for digital media as they do physical, and they havn't embraced the interactivity and social aspect of the medium. What about a digitized editors notes? You can tap a characters name or an editor's pin and instantly jump to a wiki page (likly maintained by OCD fans for 0 cost to the company) filling you in on any and all continuity reguarding that character. The ability to communally comment on comics (see what your friends list says about the art, or what icon_uk said about this panel with the terrible expression in it), with the ability to toggle it off of course.

This would of course require them embracing employee's with skillsets they don't have but the way I see it, DC is owned by WB and Marvel is owned by Disney and both of those are huge corporations. They aren't hurting for money. With a little investment comics can skyrocket past what they had on newsstands by reaching more people all over the world than ever before.

Date: 2011-07-27 12:07 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
I think the problem is that even if they changed the writing, most people would still think of comics as such. They've been tainted by their own practice and it's not easy for them to get out.

Date: 2011-07-27 12:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cleome45
I'm sorry, but I'm not really understanding you here.

I think good quality writing is swell, but without a different marketing strategy, good quality writing won't matter, because the books' potential audience won't even know that the product exists.

Date: 2011-07-27 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
That's the point, I think. Even if they changed the writing, most people would still have all sorts of negative ideas about comics. So they wouldn't neccessarily see an increase in sales even if they changed their tune.

Date: 2011-07-27 12:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cleome45
Since they've not tried to market to anyone outside their traditional base, how do you know?

And I doubt most people feel negative about comics as a medium or about superheroes as a genre. Indifferent or unaware at times, maybe, but not irreversibly negative. I don't know where you're getting this perception from, TBH.

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