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I am back! This day had probably one of the worst moments at the con, but it did have some good news. Also, we had one panel where DC DIDN'T brag about diversity! Too bad it was the Green Lantern Panel. But first, legality!
 

WE HAVE A BLACK GUY NOW!!!!!

 

DC’s ‘The New 52’ Panel (Friday Morning)

Lee says that having a beautiful wife made it too easy for Superman, and they wanted to restore the idea that Superman can’t get everything that he wants.

“Aaaaaand, right away, equating wives as prizes for their husbands. Also, NOBODY LIKES angst-y Clark!”

DiDio says that they de-aged characters because they had already “matured” and wanted the characters to be able to grow and self-discover, etc. He thinks that Oracle was in her mid- to late-30’s.

“DC doesn’t understand at all. I for one, LOVE Oracle BECAUSE she has grown and matured and developed. Apparently, people older than 35 aren’t interesting. I guess that means most of the DC staff isn’t interesting? Oh, that’s right, so it must be true.”

DiDio reiterates that Stephanie is going to come back. Also, Berganza (Ex. Editor) says that Oracle was a “big decision” but to have confidence in Gail. Also, there isn’t going to be a magic handwave.

“Yes, that would be nice. Too bad I don’t believe them one bit. With the compressed timeline, new younger Barbara, and the implication that her recovery won’t be instant, it looks like the Oracle character is going to be significantly truncated and changed

Jim Lee implies that Wonder Woman won’t be single.

“This can go both ways. It can show a Woman in a happy stable relationship where she is equal with her partner. OR, they can go the Classic/Heinberg route and hitch her up with a complete jerk!”

 

DC’s Superman Panel (Friday Afternoon)

JMS is running with the “Man of Steel, Woman of Tissue” idea in his next Earth-1 OGN. The woman will be okay with Clark being naked

“I wish somebody would retire that misogynistic idea. On the other hand, I wish they would portray women as more well-rounded than the Madonna-Whore complex towards sex, and I think showing a woman as wanting sex but not being consumed by it is the right direction.”

Johnson describes Supergirl as kind and funny and smart, but untrusting and in a backwards civilization.

“Okay, that sounds pretty good to me

 

DC’s Justice League Panel (Friday Later Afternoon)

Johns says that by having J’onn on the JLA, there is redundancy because Clark is already an alien.

“This shows exactly DC’s attitudes towards diversity. It’s all about quotas and tokenism.”

Wallace says that Terrific’s supporting cast will be very racially diverse. He says he wants his writing to reflect the real world.

“Well, good on you, but I still don’t like your writing. Also, I think it’s important to add that Wallace is one of (the only?) black creator for the new 52

Lee implies that the Atom is Ryan Choi when asked about diversity in the JLA.

“See, I love Ryan, but I feel like they only chose him over Ray because Ryan fulfills their Asian diversity quota”

Johns says Power Girl is still around, Wallace implies we’ll see Karen Starr in Mr. Terrific. Philip Tan says he can’t say whether Hawkgirl is still around. Berganza says “never say never” to Secret Six returning.

“Mostly good news, but now for the really bad part!”

A female fan in a Batgirl costume says she is upset about how the female character are not featured centrally in the Justice League books. The panelists say they are taking diversity “seriously”. Then they got into a little argument with the fan disagreeing. Lee mocks her by asking if she wants female characters to be “dead center or off-center” on the covers. According to the report, the audience was definitely against her.

“DC says they are taking diversity seriously, and then proceeds to use their male privilege to mock a fan who is rightfully upset about their hypocrisy. Furthermore, the audience, who is likely mostly male, is against her voicing her concerns. However, I applaud her for her bravery and courage. We need more people like her in the business. It reminds me of what Gail was before she sold-out. And she's completely right, because there used to be a time when we had a "Trinity" with Wonder Woman, Superman, and Batman as the Big Three. It seems to me that GL has now taken that position and Wonder Woman is going to be less important in the team books. It's also funny how the League supposedly has several heroines as members but only Wonder Woman shows up on the cover. And even in JLI, the guys are clearly larger/closer to the foreground and more central than Ice, Vixen, or Fire.”

DC’s Green Lantern panel had no talking about heroines or diversity

Date: 2011-07-26 06:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] detective_deathman08
Ok I am worried about that Wonder Women, part like you said I hope she does not get stuck with a jerk. Hmmm I also wanted to comment on the lack of strong women thing at DC. A lot of writers really have trouble tackling them. I do not mean in fight scenes, but I am talking about in regular situations and disagreements.

A commend trend I am noticing is when a dc female gets into a heated disagreement, they have a tendency to show her getting flustered and extremly over emotional. I saw old teen titans scans someone posted here of Donna Troy in a heated argument with Dick. The scans were supposed to paint her in a positive light sticking up for herself. Dick was calling her out on something and being extremly blunt. Instead of calmly talking, or keeping her composure as she yelled she broke down in tears and pushed him through a wall.

The same thing with non super powered women, Barbara Gordon's den mothering and controlling almost antisocial tendencies really paint her in a bad light sometimes like when she first met jaime. Maybe because I am a guy and do not really know if it is my place to say when a women is being strong or not, but then I see characters like Wonder Women and Amanda Waller who can be stern and yell when they have to but always keep their composure.

Date: 2011-07-26 06:26 pm (UTC)
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as far the way Barbara Gordon is written some times, i think its more psychological. Even Gail Simone has written her as controlling and Anti-Social at times, and really i think it has more to do with her "bat Training" and the fact that as an info Jockey and well, as Oracle, her job dictates that she BE in controll. Sometimes its hard for People to "turn it off". as far as Barbara is concerned i see it as a dimension to the character. (that said there are people that just write it wrong)

Date: 2011-07-26 06:40 pm (UTC)
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True that when you are trained by batman, you often learn the ways of batdickery. But she has never gone as far to tell superman he was a better example to the people when he was dead. Though I heard she threatened Lois once.

Date: 2011-07-26 06:44 pm (UTC)
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Yeah she threatened Lois.

(in my opinion Bruce had a point there)

Now, Barbara DID manipulate Huntress onto the BoP in order to "Fix her" and when Huntress figured that out she REALLY took issue with that. (okay Huntress found her way onto the team because Barbara needed help and Huntress was being Huntress... but after that, the manipulation began) I mean Her intentions WERE good, but Really in that instance she gave Bruce a run for his money.

Date: 2011-07-26 08:55 pm (UTC)
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I don't know that was during infinite crisis and that kind of back and forth spiteful shit(not just from batman) helped break up the team along with the other mess.

I am not a fan of Huntress so I commend babs for trying.

Date: 2011-07-26 06:48 pm (UTC)
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Barbara’s cameo in Blue Beetle worked well, in my opinion. A strong woman doesn’t have to be a flawless woman and really shouldn’t be. Barbara’s flaws are similar to Batman’s and Tim “mini-Batman” Drake’s. Controlling, paranoid, bending reasonable privacy because “the means justify the ends” – these are very in character for these guys.

Date: 2011-07-26 09:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] detective_deathman08
On the Blue Beetle issue It just seemed OOC to me she has been doing the whole internet genie thing long enough, and she has worked with enough riled up teens to know the best way to approach the situation. And also I think this took place after the whole tower of babel thing where people were digging into Batman over his paranoid shit. Babs was giving Bruce a stern talking to over the monitor while superman listened in. She basically told Batman that he made it harder for all of the heroes in his circle.

Of course Bruce blew her off, but still it was great that she stood up to him. Sadly it does not look so well, when we have instances where she follows his lead and alienates herself doing similar granted not as bad crap. I just feel a lot of writers have trouble differentiating strong female with conniving dragon lady.

Date: 2011-07-26 10:39 pm (UTC)
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I agree with this. And actually, I think that's part of what some of the writers themselves say when they try to use Wondy and some other. I forget who else might have said it, but I'm sure Morrison at one point said that Wonder Woman was boring to him, and I don't remember what exactly he said, but I think that plays into the strong woman who's composed thing (but she's only been so perfectly composed in more recent stuff to me).

To me, it seems like a lot of the strong women in DC have to be catty, emotional and/or doormats.

If they get into a disagreement, they're not allowed to keep it together. If they're not in a disagreement, they just don't know how to act.

The nice thing is, I think there are exceptions, but I notice some writers leaning towards that.

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