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I am back! This day had probably one of the worst moments at the con, but it did have some good news. Also, we had one panel where DC DIDN'T brag about diversity! Too bad it was the Green Lantern Panel. But first, legality!
 

WE HAVE A BLACK GUY NOW!!!!!

 

DC’s ‘The New 52’ Panel (Friday Morning)

Lee says that having a beautiful wife made it too easy for Superman, and they wanted to restore the idea that Superman can’t get everything that he wants.

“Aaaaaand, right away, equating wives as prizes for their husbands. Also, NOBODY LIKES angst-y Clark!”

DiDio says that they de-aged characters because they had already “matured” and wanted the characters to be able to grow and self-discover, etc. He thinks that Oracle was in her mid- to late-30’s.

“DC doesn’t understand at all. I for one, LOVE Oracle BECAUSE she has grown and matured and developed. Apparently, people older than 35 aren’t interesting. I guess that means most of the DC staff isn’t interesting? Oh, that’s right, so it must be true.”

DiDio reiterates that Stephanie is going to come back. Also, Berganza (Ex. Editor) says that Oracle was a “big decision” but to have confidence in Gail. Also, there isn’t going to be a magic handwave.

“Yes, that would be nice. Too bad I don’t believe them one bit. With the compressed timeline, new younger Barbara, and the implication that her recovery won’t be instant, it looks like the Oracle character is going to be significantly truncated and changed

Jim Lee implies that Wonder Woman won’t be single.

“This can go both ways. It can show a Woman in a happy stable relationship where she is equal with her partner. OR, they can go the Classic/Heinberg route and hitch her up with a complete jerk!”

 

DC’s Superman Panel (Friday Afternoon)

JMS is running with the “Man of Steel, Woman of Tissue” idea in his next Earth-1 OGN. The woman will be okay with Clark being naked

“I wish somebody would retire that misogynistic idea. On the other hand, I wish they would portray women as more well-rounded than the Madonna-Whore complex towards sex, and I think showing a woman as wanting sex but not being consumed by it is the right direction.”

Johnson describes Supergirl as kind and funny and smart, but untrusting and in a backwards civilization.

“Okay, that sounds pretty good to me

 

DC’s Justice League Panel (Friday Later Afternoon)

Johns says that by having J’onn on the JLA, there is redundancy because Clark is already an alien.

“This shows exactly DC’s attitudes towards diversity. It’s all about quotas and tokenism.”

Wallace says that Terrific’s supporting cast will be very racially diverse. He says he wants his writing to reflect the real world.

“Well, good on you, but I still don’t like your writing. Also, I think it’s important to add that Wallace is one of (the only?) black creator for the new 52

Lee implies that the Atom is Ryan Choi when asked about diversity in the JLA.

“See, I love Ryan, but I feel like they only chose him over Ray because Ryan fulfills their Asian diversity quota”

Johns says Power Girl is still around, Wallace implies we’ll see Karen Starr in Mr. Terrific. Philip Tan says he can’t say whether Hawkgirl is still around. Berganza says “never say never” to Secret Six returning.

“Mostly good news, but now for the really bad part!”

A female fan in a Batgirl costume says she is upset about how the female character are not featured centrally in the Justice League books. The panelists say they are taking diversity “seriously”. Then they got into a little argument with the fan disagreeing. Lee mocks her by asking if she wants female characters to be “dead center or off-center” on the covers. According to the report, the audience was definitely against her.

“DC says they are taking diversity seriously, and then proceeds to use their male privilege to mock a fan who is rightfully upset about their hypocrisy. Furthermore, the audience, who is likely mostly male, is against her voicing her concerns. However, I applaud her for her bravery and courage. We need more people like her in the business. It reminds me of what Gail was before she sold-out. And she's completely right, because there used to be a time when we had a "Trinity" with Wonder Woman, Superman, and Batman as the Big Three. It seems to me that GL has now taken that position and Wonder Woman is going to be less important in the team books. It's also funny how the League supposedly has several heroines as members but only Wonder Woman shows up on the cover. And even in JLI, the guys are clearly larger/closer to the foreground and more central than Ice, Vixen, or Fire.”

DC’s Green Lantern panel had no talking about heroines or diversity

Date: 2011-07-26 06:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] skalja
I think this argument is a classic example of a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you assume your audience's bigotry needs to be coddled and catered to, of course your audience is going to end up consisting of bigoted people, because everyone else is going to get fed up and leave.

Avatar: The Last Airbender had an all-Asian cast and no pre-existing audience from being a franchise, yet it trouched its contemporary The Batman in critical reception, awards, and fan dedication. I can't find Nielsen Ratings for The Batman, but ATLA was pretty much the top show of its targeted demographic whenever it aired, and given how many more fans it had among older viewers (i.e. those with their own discretionary funds), I'm betting its DVD sales were better, too. Next year we're getting The Last Airbender: Legend of Korra, a sequel starring a brown-skinned woman from a culture that's a fantasy version of Inuit cultures. The trailer aired at SDCC to explosive reception, and I would be very surprised if it didn't beat out Ultimate Spider-Man and whatever other Marvel/DC animated offerings come out next year.

Date: 2011-07-26 06:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] filthysize
I'm sure I opened it up because I mentioned Bruce Timm, but I think it's absurd to suggest that non-white non-male television shows and movies can't succeed, especially animated ones. That's obviously not the case and I'm certainly not trying to make that point. My point was specifically about the DC universe, where most of their fandom are too attached to legacy characters and icons. When most fans' idea of the definitive Justice League should at least have Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash and Green Lantern, you don't have a lot of room left unless you expand the roster, and even then, you can bet that those five characters will always be the spotlight of the ensemble most of the time, while the rest are delegated to supporting characters who would occasionally get their moments to shine. Because they are the characters that they are. It's not (entirely) about bigotry, it's about strong attachment to characters they know and like, aaaand they happen to be white and mostly male.

I mean, we still have fans who complain that JL/JLU should have had Hal Jordan because he's the definitive GL and he should be representing JL in an animated show, and John Stewart is just there as the token black guy, which isn't even inaccurate. The producers have admitted that they included him instead of Hal (probably at Dwayne McDuffie's urging) just so they wouldn't have an all-white team.

Date: 2011-07-26 07:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fifthie
And then the parent company responded by making a movie full of white kids, because people won't watch things with all them asians in it. Which pretty much tells you what you need to know about argument by sales.

Date: 2011-07-26 11:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cleome45
I was trying to explain to a fan on another board why the movie deserved to tank for this reason alone. I ended up ingesting about 25,000 aspirin before the whole thing ran its course.

The best part was when the guy told me that I was being unfair to all the people who'd worked on the movie, and didn't I want them to feel successful, or something...?

[head desk]

Date: 2011-07-27 12:28 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] magus_69
Avatar: The Last Airbender had an all-Asian cast

That's not quite true. The Water Tribes are an Inuit inspired culture.

Date: 2011-07-27 05:19 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] btravage
While not exactly belonging to the same stock, you'll find very much similar cultures existing in Northern Asia as Northern America.

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