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I am back! This day had probably one of the worst moments at the con, but it did have some good news. Also, we had one panel where DC DIDN'T brag about diversity! Too bad it was the Green Lantern Panel. But first, legality!



DC’s ‘The New 52’ Panel (Friday Morning)

Lee says that having a beautiful wife made it too easy for Superman, and they wanted to restore the idea that Superman can’t get everything that he wants.

“Aaaaaand, right away, equating wives as prizes for their husbands. Also, NOBODY LIKES angst-y Clark!”

DiDio says that they de-aged characters because they had already “matured” and wanted the characters to be able to grow and self-discover, etc. He thinks that Oracle was in her mid- to late-30’s.

“DC doesn’t understand at all. I for one, LOVE Oracle BECAUSE she has grown and matured and developed. Apparently, people older than 35 aren’t interesting. I guess that means most of the DC staff isn’t interesting? Oh, that’s right, so it must be true.”

DiDio reiterates that Stephanie is going to come back. Also, Berganza (Ex. Editor) says that Oracle was a “big decision” but to have confidence in Gail. Also, there isn’t going to be a magic handwave.

“Yes, that would be nice. Too bad I don’t believe them one bit. With the compressed timeline, new younger Barbara, and the implication that her recovery won’t be instant, it looks like the Oracle character is going to be significantly truncated and changed

Jim Lee implies that Wonder Woman won’t be single.

“This can go both ways. It can show a Woman in a happy stable relationship where she is equal with her partner. OR, they can go the Classic/Heinberg route and hitch her up with a complete jerk!”


DC’s Superman Panel (Friday Afternoon)

JMS is running with the “Man of Steel, Woman of Tissue” idea in his next Earth-1 OGN. The woman will be okay with Clark being naked

“I wish somebody would retire that misogynistic idea. On the other hand, I wish they would portray women as more well-rounded than the Madonna-Whore complex towards sex, and I think showing a woman as wanting sex but not being consumed by it is the right direction.”

Johnson describes Supergirl as kind and funny and smart, but untrusting and in a backwards civilization.

“Okay, that sounds pretty good to me


DC’s Justice League Panel (Friday Later Afternoon)

Johns says that by having J’onn on the JLA, there is redundancy because Clark is already an alien.

“This shows exactly DC’s attitudes towards diversity. It’s all about quotas and tokenism.”

Wallace says that Terrific’s supporting cast will be very racially diverse. He says he wants his writing to reflect the real world.

“Well, good on you, but I still don’t like your writing. Also, I think it’s important to add that Wallace is one of (the only?) black creator for the new 52

Lee implies that the Atom is Ryan Choi when asked about diversity in the JLA.

“See, I love Ryan, but I feel like they only chose him over Ray because Ryan fulfills their Asian diversity quota”

Johns says Power Girl is still around, Wallace implies we’ll see Karen Starr in Mr. Terrific. Philip Tan says he can’t say whether Hawkgirl is still around. Berganza says “never say never” to Secret Six returning.

“Mostly good news, but now for the really bad part!”

A female fan in a Batgirl costume says she is upset about how the female character are not featured centrally in the Justice League books. The panelists say they are taking diversity “seriously”. Then they got into a little argument with the fan disagreeing. Lee mocks her by asking if she wants female characters to be “dead center or off-center” on the covers. According to the report, the audience was definitely against her.

“DC says they are taking diversity seriously, and then proceeds to use their male privilege to mock a fan who is rightfully upset about their hypocrisy. Furthermore, the audience, who is likely mostly male, is against her voicing her concerns. However, I applaud her for her bravery and courage. We need more people like her in the business. It reminds me of what Gail was before she sold-out. And she's completely right, because there used to be a time when we had a "Trinity" with Wonder Woman, Superman, and Batman as the Big Three. It seems to me that GL has now taken that position and Wonder Woman is going to be less important in the team books. It's also funny how the League supposedly has several heroines as members but only Wonder Woman shows up on the cover. And even in JLI, the guys are clearly larger/closer to the foreground and more central than Ice, Vixen, or Fire.”

DC’s Green Lantern panel had no talking about heroines or diversity

Date: 2011-07-26 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kd_the_movie
It sounds weird, but I am terribly disappointed that Eric Wallace is Black.

I hate the fact that whenever the Big 2 wants to feature a Black protagonist, its obvious editorial says "HIRE A BLACK GUY TO WRITE IT!!!" instead of y'know challenging their "talented stable" of non black writers to write outside of what they know. Yet they have no problem asking Black creators to work on non-black characters.

Date: 2011-07-26 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kd_the_movie
And also, it perpetuates this notion that Black people are some alien entity that no one outside of Blacks can write accurately. I think Non black writers avoid writing Black characters to avoid coming off as racist, tone deaf, or out of touch because they feel that if they tried to be "authentically Black" it'd come off as racist/stereotypical or they'd be unrealistic or out of touch if they didn't include "authentically black" stereotypical elements of Black characters (coming from poverty, broken home, talks in slang, from the inner city, kewl 'tude).

When in reality, the best way to minority characters? Write them just like you would a white character (or whatever ethnicity/gender/sexual orientation/etc. your comfortable writing) and just throw a can of paint on them. If anyone has a problem with that, then thats their fault to assume there's some universal standard as to who Black/whatever people are (tho to include some cultural details would be nice tho).

Date: 2011-07-26 07:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stubbleupdate
When in reality, the best way to minority characters? Write them just like you would a white character (or whatever ethnicity/gender/sexual orientation/etc. your comfortable writing) and just throw a can of paint on them.

I think that assuming that white is the norm is a pretty problematic way to go about this.

Date: 2011-07-26 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kd_the_movie
The post was "directed" at white comic writers so to speak (and I think its a safe assumption that most comic writers are white and feel comfortable writing white characters).

Date: 2011-07-26 10:37 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
It really seems to me that white is considered generic these days.

Date: 2011-07-26 10:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] marco
This. So much.

It also makes me think of Winnick and Batwing. I hope Winnick will be a sensitive and smart writer, but that he mentioned Republic of Congo/Africa being "politicized and war torn" I feel like it's kind of the sterotypical elements at play. ("Oh, it's Africa, so it's lost in political turmoil, and these people have such a ravaged and impoverish country! Look at them suffer and try to get it together!")

Even though it's been said a lot, it's sad how many writers don't get that. I guess what's really sad is that they feel they have to make such a different character when they're not white ( ie the norm). Because, you know, all those CoC just don't lead normal lives like white characters. (The cultural details are always nice too! But definitely a part where they fumble up and things get messy.)

Date: 2011-07-26 07:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stubbleupdate

You're going to have to explain that comment to me.

You're disappointed that Eric Wallace is black. Are you disappointed that he's black and is accepting work on non-black characters?

Date: 2011-07-26 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kd_the_movie
Before I knew that Eric Wallace was Black, I was surprised that a non-Black writer was tackling a non group book with a Black protagonist. That traditionally never happens and I was thinking "Good. With the lack of P.O.C's in the Comics industry, there needs to be an increased hiring of P.O.C AND/OR non P.O.C. comic creators need to have the courage to write non-white leads in their own book"

And it turns out since Eric Wallace is Black, its the same shit as usual. Black creators write Black characters because everyone else avoids P.O.C leads like the plague.

Date: 2011-07-26 10:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] marco
It didn't really strike me before, but that's a good point. I hadn't given it much thought (just in regards to this situation), but I agree.


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