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I am back! This day had probably one of the worst moments at the con, but it did have some good news. Also, we had one panel where DC DIDN'T brag about diversity! Too bad it was the Green Lantern Panel. But first, legality!



DC’s ‘The New 52’ Panel (Friday Morning)

Lee says that having a beautiful wife made it too easy for Superman, and they wanted to restore the idea that Superman can’t get everything that he wants.

“Aaaaaand, right away, equating wives as prizes for their husbands. Also, NOBODY LIKES angst-y Clark!”

DiDio says that they de-aged characters because they had already “matured” and wanted the characters to be able to grow and self-discover, etc. He thinks that Oracle was in her mid- to late-30’s.

“DC doesn’t understand at all. I for one, LOVE Oracle BECAUSE she has grown and matured and developed. Apparently, people older than 35 aren’t interesting. I guess that means most of the DC staff isn’t interesting? Oh, that’s right, so it must be true.”

DiDio reiterates that Stephanie is going to come back. Also, Berganza (Ex. Editor) says that Oracle was a “big decision” but to have confidence in Gail. Also, there isn’t going to be a magic handwave.

“Yes, that would be nice. Too bad I don’t believe them one bit. With the compressed timeline, new younger Barbara, and the implication that her recovery won’t be instant, it looks like the Oracle character is going to be significantly truncated and changed

Jim Lee implies that Wonder Woman won’t be single.

“This can go both ways. It can show a Woman in a happy stable relationship where she is equal with her partner. OR, they can go the Classic/Heinberg route and hitch her up with a complete jerk!”


DC’s Superman Panel (Friday Afternoon)

JMS is running with the “Man of Steel, Woman of Tissue” idea in his next Earth-1 OGN. The woman will be okay with Clark being naked

“I wish somebody would retire that misogynistic idea. On the other hand, I wish they would portray women as more well-rounded than the Madonna-Whore complex towards sex, and I think showing a woman as wanting sex but not being consumed by it is the right direction.”

Johnson describes Supergirl as kind and funny and smart, but untrusting and in a backwards civilization.

“Okay, that sounds pretty good to me


DC’s Justice League Panel (Friday Later Afternoon)

Johns says that by having J’onn on the JLA, there is redundancy because Clark is already an alien.

“This shows exactly DC’s attitudes towards diversity. It’s all about quotas and tokenism.”

Wallace says that Terrific’s supporting cast will be very racially diverse. He says he wants his writing to reflect the real world.

“Well, good on you, but I still don’t like your writing. Also, I think it’s important to add that Wallace is one of (the only?) black creator for the new 52

Lee implies that the Atom is Ryan Choi when asked about diversity in the JLA.

“See, I love Ryan, but I feel like they only chose him over Ray because Ryan fulfills their Asian diversity quota”

Johns says Power Girl is still around, Wallace implies we’ll see Karen Starr in Mr. Terrific. Philip Tan says he can’t say whether Hawkgirl is still around. Berganza says “never say never” to Secret Six returning.

“Mostly good news, but now for the really bad part!”

A female fan in a Batgirl costume says she is upset about how the female character are not featured centrally in the Justice League books. The panelists say they are taking diversity “seriously”. Then they got into a little argument with the fan disagreeing. Lee mocks her by asking if she wants female characters to be “dead center or off-center” on the covers. According to the report, the audience was definitely against her.

“DC says they are taking diversity seriously, and then proceeds to use their male privilege to mock a fan who is rightfully upset about their hypocrisy. Furthermore, the audience, who is likely mostly male, is against her voicing her concerns. However, I applaud her for her bravery and courage. We need more people like her in the business. It reminds me of what Gail was before she sold-out. And she's completely right, because there used to be a time when we had a "Trinity" with Wonder Woman, Superman, and Batman as the Big Three. It seems to me that GL has now taken that position and Wonder Woman is going to be less important in the team books. It's also funny how the League supposedly has several heroines as members but only Wonder Woman shows up on the cover. And even in JLI, the guys are clearly larger/closer to the foreground and more central than Ice, Vixen, or Fire.”

DC’s Green Lantern panel had no talking about heroines or diversity

Date: 2011-07-26 07:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jaybee3
Things to point out that you left out (but which other people have already mentioned):

1) The woman who was there questioning about women's roles was with HER DAUGHTER (dressed as Raven from TTG) when she was being mocked by all these middle-aged males. Way to poison their future fan base by literally insulting a girl's mother because she dares to ask a legitimate question - although maybe Didio/Lee don't count young girls as potential readers anyway so it doesn't matter to them.

2) Idelson's Lois as a "trophy wife" comment. I can't believe that NO ONE who was sitting at a Superman panel said anything to him about it. But then gain I'm not surprised - I think we're really seeing now the underbelly of loathing for Lois by the people that run Superman that I used to think only Chuck "Lois is a Gold Digger" Austen (hired by Eddie Berganza and only fired under fan pressure) used to represent. From releasing those two pages of the VERY FIRST ISSUE of the new Superman showing pining Clark and Lois celebrating a story by getting it on with her "hunky co-worker" (as DC's own press release call him) to Jim Lee explicitly saying they want the reader to feel "sympathy" for Clark in that situation (even though the two have not even dated in this reboot) to moving Lois from an intrepid reporter to a desk job where she delegates authority to others. They are pretty much deconstructing the Siegel/Shuster Lois from the ground up (and less than a year after Joanne Siegel, the model for LL, passed on) and all for the sake of making CLARK look better. Can they get any more tasteless and sexist?
Also, Idelson has also been the editor for the Superman books for several years now (many of which have had Lois/Clark separated for flimsy purposes like the whole Grounded debacle) so its revealing to see how the man who edits Superman himself has seen Lois all this time they've been married.

3) They haven't said Power Girl will be in the reboot (that I've heard) only Karen Starr (and she will working FOR Mr. Terrific, who Wallace calls one of the most "elgible bachelors in the world" - joining the ranks of rebooted bachelors pining angsty Clark Kent and "dating around" Barry Allen). I wouldn't be surprised if they reboot Power Girl's origin by having her develop powers thanks to Mr. Terrific, instead of being a Superman-level hero without help.

4) Berganza says Oracle was a "big decision" (and one they didn't choose easily - which is dishonest since we all know Didio has been wanting a return to Babsgirl for YEARS) and to "trust Gail Simone". The very same Gail Simone who has already publicly stated that she only went on the book because DC was going to do this (de-age and un-disable Babs) ANYWAY and she was presented with a fait accompli. I wonder what Berganza would have said if Gail wasn't on the book (and had refused the assignment) since it seems to be that a lot of DC's ploy with the Babs back as Batgirl reboot has been to rely on reader confidence and personal liking/trust of Gail Simone. They had already decided the direction they were going to go in, with or without Gail so what if they had given the book say to Eric "Titans" Wallace or JT "Rise of Arsenal" Krul? What then?

Seems to me that the DC Higher-Ups (minus Diane Nelson) seem to be coming out of this reboot and Comic-Com as supremely arrogant and condescending (even more so than they ever were before)...and none of them seem to realize it (and if they do they don't seem to care). How do you run a business with such an attitude towards your own consumers?

Date: 2011-07-26 07:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stubbleupdate
3) Power Girl lives on on my shelf. I might have to be "content" with just that.

4) Perhaps DC might have been more advised to throw a creator with a less positive reputation (though Krul did win an award for the rise of Arsenal and Robinson was nominated for an Eisner last year) rather than tarnish the reputation and relationship that Gail Simone has with fans.

Date: 2011-07-26 07:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fifthie
Can they get any more tasteless and sexist?

They could fail at making Clark look sympathetic by having him actually come across as a needy douche / creepy eavesdropper while not having Lois or her Hunky McHunk actually do anything wrong, while still giving every indication that THEY believe Clark is sympathetic in this situation.

Date: 2011-07-26 07:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jaybee3
I know. If you go by what we're "supposed" to believe (i.e. that L&C have not only never dated in five years but she doesn't even know him that well and thinks he's a loner) then Clark comes off as extremely creepy listening in on her and her BF and visibly pining after her. But DC wants to have it both ways - they want to get rid of the L&C relationship/marriage but they want the reader's/fan's knowledge of in the previous continuity (and television shows/movies/cartoons) to make us feel "sympathetic" (to use Lee's phrase) for Clark. Those two pages that DC released and DC trumpeting the fact that Lois has a new (non-Clark) boyfriend to the national (non-comic) media - while Clark is merely a "bachelor" - is basically telling us that DC wants Lois to be the bad guy here because even non-comics readers (especially ones who grew up on Smallville or the cartoons) knows that L&C should be together.

And that's why what they're doing is tasteless. It's not the idea that Lois has a boyfriend (and she did before she and Clark got together in the present post-Crisis continuity) it's that they're marketing that fact as a reason to buy the book and root for angsty pining lonely Superman (at Lois's expense)

Date: 2011-07-26 10:41 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
wait, they wanted people to feel sorry for Clark in that situation. When they showed him as able to hear her conversations at the end of the pages. Did they not see one of the biggest compalints about Superman returns, him watching Lois, Richard and Jason?

I mean maybe if there'd been no super-hearing at the end, but by showing the super-hearing he involved himself in an intimate situation without their permission.


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