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I am back! This day had probably one of the worst moments at the con, but it did have some good news. Also, we had one panel where DC DIDN'T brag about diversity! Too bad it was the Green Lantern Panel. But first, legality!
 

WE HAVE A BLACK GUY NOW!!!!!

 

DC’s ‘The New 52’ Panel (Friday Morning)

Lee says that having a beautiful wife made it too easy for Superman, and they wanted to restore the idea that Superman can’t get everything that he wants.

“Aaaaaand, right away, equating wives as prizes for their husbands. Also, NOBODY LIKES angst-y Clark!”

DiDio says that they de-aged characters because they had already “matured” and wanted the characters to be able to grow and self-discover, etc. He thinks that Oracle was in her mid- to late-30’s.

“DC doesn’t understand at all. I for one, LOVE Oracle BECAUSE she has grown and matured and developed. Apparently, people older than 35 aren’t interesting. I guess that means most of the DC staff isn’t interesting? Oh, that’s right, so it must be true.”

DiDio reiterates that Stephanie is going to come back. Also, Berganza (Ex. Editor) says that Oracle was a “big decision” but to have confidence in Gail. Also, there isn’t going to be a magic handwave.

“Yes, that would be nice. Too bad I don’t believe them one bit. With the compressed timeline, new younger Barbara, and the implication that her recovery won’t be instant, it looks like the Oracle character is going to be significantly truncated and changed

Jim Lee implies that Wonder Woman won’t be single.

“This can go both ways. It can show a Woman in a happy stable relationship where she is equal with her partner. OR, they can go the Classic/Heinberg route and hitch her up with a complete jerk!”

 

DC’s Superman Panel (Friday Afternoon)

JMS is running with the “Man of Steel, Woman of Tissue” idea in his next Earth-1 OGN. The woman will be okay with Clark being naked

“I wish somebody would retire that misogynistic idea. On the other hand, I wish they would portray women as more well-rounded than the Madonna-Whore complex towards sex, and I think showing a woman as wanting sex but not being consumed by it is the right direction.”

Johnson describes Supergirl as kind and funny and smart, but untrusting and in a backwards civilization.

“Okay, that sounds pretty good to me

 

DC’s Justice League Panel (Friday Later Afternoon)

Johns says that by having J’onn on the JLA, there is redundancy because Clark is already an alien.

“This shows exactly DC’s attitudes towards diversity. It’s all about quotas and tokenism.”

Wallace says that Terrific’s supporting cast will be very racially diverse. He says he wants his writing to reflect the real world.

“Well, good on you, but I still don’t like your writing. Also, I think it’s important to add that Wallace is one of (the only?) black creator for the new 52

Lee implies that the Atom is Ryan Choi when asked about diversity in the JLA.

“See, I love Ryan, but I feel like they only chose him over Ray because Ryan fulfills their Asian diversity quota”

Johns says Power Girl is still around, Wallace implies we’ll see Karen Starr in Mr. Terrific. Philip Tan says he can’t say whether Hawkgirl is still around. Berganza says “never say never” to Secret Six returning.

“Mostly good news, but now for the really bad part!”

A female fan in a Batgirl costume says she is upset about how the female character are not featured centrally in the Justice League books. The panelists say they are taking diversity “seriously”. Then they got into a little argument with the fan disagreeing. Lee mocks her by asking if she wants female characters to be “dead center or off-center” on the covers. According to the report, the audience was definitely against her.

“DC says they are taking diversity seriously, and then proceeds to use their male privilege to mock a fan who is rightfully upset about their hypocrisy. Furthermore, the audience, who is likely mostly male, is against her voicing her concerns. However, I applaud her for her bravery and courage. We need more people like her in the business. It reminds me of what Gail was before she sold-out. And she's completely right, because there used to be a time when we had a "Trinity" with Wonder Woman, Superman, and Batman as the Big Three. It seems to me that GL has now taken that position and Wonder Woman is going to be less important in the team books. It's also funny how the League supposedly has several heroines as members but only Wonder Woman shows up on the cover. And even in JLI, the guys are clearly larger/closer to the foreground and more central than Ice, Vixen, or Fire.”

DC’s Green Lantern panel had no talking about heroines or diversity

Date: 2011-07-26 09:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadeedge
I find myself thinking bullshit on the earlier point where Didio challenged questioners as to which black or female writers/artists/creative types they'd like to have working for them.

I mean, in the first place, in order to get the kind of name recognition that would require means having worked for one of the larger companies in the first place. It seems like a self-defeating principle - if you want non-white male creatives, you need to be able to say who you want; in order to say who you want, you have to be aware of their work.

If media-wide the comics industry has a very low ratio of non-white male creatives, which they do, then logically there's not going to be many someone could name off the top of their heads, because there aren't many people in those positions. It's a vicious cycle, and either a poor or a disingenuous question to pose (i'd probably just guess poor).

Date: 2011-07-26 10:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] marco
Isn't that how everything is with DC? One, ugly and vicious cycle?

Date: 2011-07-26 11:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadeedge
Well, maybe so. I just felt like sharing that thought since it seemed like it was an attempt at a reversal by Didio - if the fans in question couldn't name particular creatives they'd like to see, clearly, they're the ones in the wrong - which I really didn't like.

Date: 2011-07-27 05:14 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] marco
Oh yeah, I definitely agree. And I'm glad you did point it out. It's just a shame that that's how it is with them.

Date: 2011-07-27 12:32 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] terabient
Also important: it's not a reader's job to find writers for editors. If readers say 'hey we'd like to see more female creators/writers of color' then editors better go out and find some. That's part of their job.

Asking readers to suggest writers just highlights how poorly editors are doing when it comes to seeking and nurturing new talent.

Date: 2011-07-27 02:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadeedge
Not to mention, it's false. As you say, it's the editor's job to find these people, and within their responsibility to at least known of possible ones even if they don't hire them. But also it's not as though they're going to take, based on the words of a group of (admittedly) fans in one room, a hiring decision. They're not going to suddenly go "Hey, someone suggested Person A; i'm convinced where I wasn't before!".

There would seem to be little point beyond a patronising "thank you for your valuable opinion", or the "Haha, you can't name many, you're the bad one!" attempted reversal.

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