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I am, for reasons from the past couple of weeks I'm sure most of you know about, pretty angry and disillusioned with pretty much our entire government right now, but also what appears to be our utter powerlessness to control it. (As someone on the left, you can imagine I feel particularly marooned politically right now) So of course my mind goes straight to Alan Moore & David Lloyd.

So here's V's REAL speech from V FOR VENDETTA.(well, most of it; I applied some cuts but the important stuff is here) Which, unlike the one in the film, doesn't let you off the hook it hangs our leaders upon. Something I feel everyone should read.

All (c)DC Comics. I'd rather say it was (c) Moore & Lloyd, but there you are.

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Date: 2011-08-02 06:05 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] fiddlingfrog.livejournal.com
When I'm in a "fuck the world and everyone in it" kind of mood I usually watch Get Carter with Michael Caine.

Date: 2011-08-02 06:15 am (UTC)
fifthie: tastes the best (Default)
From: [personal profile] fifthie

Date: 2011-08-02 07:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tsunamiwombat
This is a much ballsier speech than the one in the movie thats for sure.

Date: 2011-08-02 07:58 am (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
This. The film works well enough on it's own merits, but changes too much about V if you're someone familiar with the book, for me. The film sets it up so that V essentially replaces the Norsefire government as a figurehead and has him save the day by killing the stupidly renamed Sutler.

The book presents V as someone who just sets the example, opening Britain up to the Land of Do As You Please that he talks about. I also find it quite telling that he isn't the one who kills Susan, and doesn't even touch any of the prominent party figures - they all kill themselves, effectively. To me, I disliked that the most.

Date: 2011-08-02 09:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
This, absolutely this. I think Watchmen gets more recognition because it deals directly with heroes, but V is much more compelling and feels like a more personal work for Moore, somehow. But then, I've always enjoyed other bits of his work over Watchmen anyway.

And I do find it interesting that Moore actually manages to make Susan somewhat sympathetic, too. He seems quite lost and miserable throughout most of the book, and especially after the revelations with Fate.

Living your own life

Date: 2011-08-02 07:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] blue_bolt
V's speech makes me think of oh, so many songs:

1. Have a Nice Day - Bon Jovi
2. We're Not Going to Take it - Twisted Sister
and many many more.

Honestly, you can do three things when faced with a global situation that you dislike:
1. Complain
2. Change your values to enjoy/accept the situation
3. Change the situation to adhere to your values

1. Doesn't do anything.
2. Changes you, for good or ill.
3. Is the most proactive and the least common.

I say we blow Gadhafi to Kingdom Come (not the comic), stop producing internal combustion engine automobiles and switch to battery power and put battery swap stations across the developed world, bring back the 1980 UNICEF/WHO 3rd world vaccination programs and eradicate Polio, Malaria and TB, threaten Assad with military action if he doesn't stop killing his own citizens, declare Somalia a Mandate of the UN, revamp the UN so no non-democratic nations are allowed on the Security Council (i.e China), stop using corn for ethanol, legalize marijuana globally so it can be privatized and taxed, fine Merrill-Lynch, Goldman-Saachs and the rest of the criminal corporations several billion dollars for their flagrant perjury and attempted cover ups.

V's right that we have some major problems, but the solution isn't to eliminate government, but to deconstruct our current governments and rebuild them from the ground up - hopefully getting it right this time around.

Re: Living your own life

Date: 2011-08-02 09:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cleome45
I think your dream list works at cross-purposes here. Global interventionism and humanitarian values particularly at home work at cross-purposes.

So long as we constantly squander our own resources, both human and monetary, to play world policeman, I don't think there's any way that the United States can operate in a humane fashion-- either at home or anywhere else.

Which is why I can't stand anyone in charge. All they do is bicker about how much money they can steal from us and how many more people they can kill (soldiers and civilians alike) in order to bolster multinational corporations-- who are their real bosses. We most certainly are not.

The idea that perhaps the war machine could be dialed down; that we might consider cleaning up our own house before pointing guns at the rest of the world and telling them how to behave... somehow those ideas are never part of the discussion.

Date: 2011-08-02 08:38 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] 20thcenturyvole
Despite all criticisms of the movie, I will forever hear V's dialogue in Hugo Weaving's voice.

Date: 2011-08-02 01:30 pm (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
Weaving was a smashing Abberline in the Wolfman though. :)

Date: 2011-08-02 05:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I got about halfway through that movie before the sheer dullness of it drove me away. I don't think anyone came out of it well.

Date: 2011-08-03 08:07 am (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
You should've stayed to LOL at the sight of teddy-bear Anthony Hopkins. So bad.

Date: 2011-08-03 09:32 am (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
It's the member image for Dr Strangelove in the assignment section of Peace Walker, the Metal Gear game.

Date: 2011-08-02 09:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cleome45
It would have been better as a series anyway. I don't know how in blazes a story of that length could be effectively compressed into a standard-length film in the first place. :/

Date: 2011-08-02 08:56 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
One thing amongst many that disliked about the film was the way it changed the sequencing of events. The film's version of this comes near the beginning and effectively lays down V's mission statement early on.

Whereas with the book, it's an absolutely magnificent oh-crap moment because as Finch assumes, everything beforehand was just the setup.

Date: 2011-08-02 11:48 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] endis_ni
Promethea and Jack Faust as well, of course.

Date: 2011-08-02 01:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] espanolbot
And Mina/Mr Hyde.

Date: 2011-08-03 05:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] btravage
He thinks he's ugly and not deserving of the hot chicks he's slept with and there for justifies it to himself in his work. Armchair Literary Criticism: Done.

Date: 2011-08-02 09:22 am (UTC)
biod: Cute Galactus (Default)
From: [personal profile] biod
The message remains the same in the film, the blame and responsibillity is of the people, but while this speech is threatening in tone and builds up V to be something not human, the movie speech takes a turn for the inspirational and it's V asking them to stand WITH him. Both have their merits. I for one like the inspirational tone of the movie, but prefer V to be what he claims to be, an idea behind a mask, not a man.

Date: 2011-08-02 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
That's rather the point though, think. Ideas are cold things, brutal and efficient and quite inhuman. While people are messy and confusing and not easily categorized.

Date: 2011-08-03 08:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
I don't think this version of the speech is necessarily threatening, but it's certainly not mollycoddling. And this and the film's speech are distinctly different. V of the book needs no-one to stand with him save Evey. In fact, the film misses the point quite severely. V isn't looking to be a new figurehead for people, since that's just replacing one ruler with another. He wants them to make their own choices, and whilst he gives them the means to do so, he isn't going to guide then by the hand, as I feel he does in the film.

Date: 2011-08-02 03:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] riddler13
Always wondered who is the would-be tyrant at the bottom left corner on the 18th panel. Of course, Adolf, Josef and Benito are easily recognizable.

I like V for Vendetta, and have never (oh noes!) seen the film. But I'd still take Watchmen over it any day.

Date: 2011-08-02 08:15 pm (UTC)
biod: Cute Galactus (Default)
From: [personal profile] biod
You should watch it sometime. IMO it's a very good movie, one of my favorites even.

Date: 2011-08-02 08:49 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] don1138
Methinks it's Nixon, carefully cropped to avoid inflaming delicate sensibilities. I believe he was still alive at the time this was written.

Date: 2011-08-02 09:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] riddler13
Yep! Definetely, they're Dick's eyes! Thanks! :)

Date: 2011-08-02 03:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cypherfdp
Man, I look at this, and all I can see is fucking Chanology.

Date: 2011-08-03 05:18 am (UTC)
btravage: (Default)
From: [personal profile] btravage
I know, right. Fuck them for co-opting this.

Date: 2011-08-02 09:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cleome45
It's a great comic. Still one of my favorites.

Sadly, IRL, "All you had to say was 'No'" is not actually how it works.

Date: 2011-08-03 07:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] proteus_lives
"Sadly, IRL, "All you had to say was 'No'" is not actually how it works"

You're right, that is very naive.

Date: 2011-08-03 08:21 am (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
True, but in the circumstances the book presents, it would've averted a lot of pain and misery if people had said no.

Date: 2011-08-03 08:23 am (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
And, with V partly being a response to Thatcherite England, I think Moore was expressing his frustration over that, since it took us over a decade to be shot of her, and even then, it wasn't our voices that did it.

Date: 2011-08-03 01:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kenwyn89
This, so much. The funny thing about the current government is that, unlike Thatcher no one voted with the current cabinet in mind as it's a coalition. At least people still haven't forgiven them enough to vote a majority in. Problem is labour voters are disillusioned. (Why can't we have an actually left wing party? I'm not a crazy socialist, but I voted for lib dems on the basis they were a good centre-left alternative until that rubbish with Clegg). My Mum who is now facing redundancy in the public sector adult ed for the second time in a year, thinks the cuts are even worse than under thatcher.

Date: 2011-08-03 03:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
From what I know of Thatcher - I was born in 86 after what seems to be the worst of her years in power, and could only really laugh at Major, given my age, I'd be inclined to agree.

Despite the fact that Maggie probably has bigger balls than Cameron, Clegg and Osborne combined, she never fucked with the NHS, after all.

And, as a Labour voter personally.. It's very difficult to be encouraged by them at the moment. Milliband must actually be code for wet lettuce, Tony Blair was a secret Tory, frankly, and poor Gordon seemed decent enough but got positively crucified in the wake of a crisis that wasn't entirely his fault.

Date: 2011-08-03 09:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kenwyn89
The only thing that amuses me is the amount of U turns they've done- on selling the forests (wtf?), rehauling the NHS, now this phone hacking thing- I remember them demoting Vince Cable for bad mouthing Murdoch, now look what's happened...

As a history student I have to ask where have the ballsy politicians gone? (unless they decided not to enter politics these days). Even the miners unions agreed she stuck to her guns- even if they do consider what she did pretty evil really. Sigh.


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