Re: Not to sound like a idoit..

Date: 2011-08-04 04:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverzeo
Mind expanding that last part to more cynical readers, the people who see Lois as classic DiD (Damsel in DIstress) as she would get kidnapped, get herself in danger (like taking a close up shot of a ice dinosaur in the Fletcher cartoon), get easily bamboozled by SilverAge Superman, and getting hit in the head in Superman Returns...

Re: Not to sound like a idoit..

Date: 2011-08-04 05:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aaron_bourque
the people who see Lois as classic DiD (Damsel in DIstress) as she would get kidnapped, get herself in danger (like taking a close up shot of a ice dinosaur in the Fletcher cartoon), get easily bamboozled by SilverAge Superman, and getting hit in the head in Superman Returns...

Those people either don't know or forget Golden Age Lois and modern Lois. Golden Age Lois could be a shrew to Clark, but she was intelligent, independent, and feisty. But Modern Lois puts herself in danger to follow the story. Look up Superman: Birthright. It mostly gets posted here because of its interpretation of young Lex, or because people find Lienel Francis Yu's Clark so manpretty, but Birthright's Lois is almost pitch perfect. Clark falls for her immediately not because he thinks she beautiful, but because she stands up to a jerkass editor on behalf of a co-worker. Lois is headstrong and wild, but she is a genuinely cares about people, and could be a comic book hero in her own right, because she is, it's just she happens to exist in a world of flying people and aliens and magic, so her crusading journalism is kind of overshadowed.

Re: Not to sound like a idoit..

Date: 2011-08-04 07:59 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] magus_69
I wish that DC would do a Daily Planet series centred on Lois. It would be all kinds of awesome.

Re: Not to sound like a idoit..

Date: 2011-08-05 02:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liara_shadowsong
That would be... amazing. As long as it had a decent writer, I would definitely buy that.

Re: Not to sound like a idoit..

Date: 2011-08-04 12:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wizardru
Golden Age Lois was a firecracker, until the editors demanded that they make her 'pretty' and less independent or sexy. To Wit:

"Murray and I have gone over the magazine stuff, and we find that a great deal hasn’t been done to make Lois look better. The roly-poly hair-do is still the same way we complained about, and why is it necessary to shade Lois’ breasts and the underside of her hair with vertical pen-lines we can’t understand. She looks pregnant. Murray [presumably Murray Boltinoff, longtime DC staffer - BC] suggests that you arrange for her to have an abortion or the baby and get it over with so that her figure can return to something a little more like the tasty dish she is supposed to be. She is much too stocky and much, MUCH too unpleasantly sexy. Please call it to the attention of Joe and his lads that the better artists in this field draw their heroines more or less by a certain formula that makes them look desirable and cute. This they do by having the hair prettily done instead of making it look like a rat’s nest. On top of this they make the face pretty – and they try to draw it in the same way every time. Then, by drawing the shoulders wider than the hips they give the girl a lisesome quality that is absent when the accent is on hips. Also, the waistline is drawn higher thant it would be in real life, and the legs are longer and slimmer. There is usually no attempt to prove pictorially that the female tummy has a certain roundness if not confinded within a girdle, nor that bosoms cast teriffic shadows by virtue of their outstanding quality. While the dames in SMILIN’ JACK may be very tasty and exciting, I certainly do not approve of them for exploitation in publications like ours. You know as well as I do what sort of censure we are always up against, and how careful we must be.

Since writing the first page of this, Mr. Jack Liebowitz has seen the artwork in question, and is extremely dissatisfied with Lois. He says that in addition to making Lois look like a witch, you have apparently dressed her out of a Montgomery Ward catalogue. He suggests Vogue, Vanity Fair and Harper’s Bazaar as likelier spots for dress-research."

Re: Not to sound like a idoit..

Date: 2011-08-04 01:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aaron_bourque
unpleasantly sexy.

What is this I don't even . . .

Re: Not to sound like a idoit..

Date: 2011-08-04 03:53 pm (UTC)
wizardru: Hellboy (Default)
From: [personal profile] wizardru
Here's an example of the Lois Lane he was complaining about, from Superman #6:





Apparently both Tasty and Exciting!

Re: Not to sound like a idoit..

Date: 2011-08-05 06:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fredneil.livejournal.com
Bronze age Lois wasn't a damsel in distress, either. In the mid 70s, she was more or less Emma Peel in the body of Mary Richards. Actually, she had some good silver age moments, too, but those were balanced out by times when she was just a horrible person, even given that she and Superman had a sado-masochistic way of flirting with each other.

Re: Not to sound like a idoit..

Date: 2011-08-04 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
the classic DiD is kidnapped because she's an easy target. Lois is more like a hostage. She goes where the bad guy is because that's where the story is and the villain pulls a gun on her.

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