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Peter goes after Strange, demanding to know how Carlie could have uncovered his identity after his spell.



The thing he has to do is give MJ the antidote, since she still has her spider-powers.

Also, Kaine is now scarless, and from the looks of it I'm guessing he's going to be the new Scarlet Spider. I liked what they did with Kaine when they brought him back (before 'killing' him off), but I'm not too crazy about prettifying him and making him some sort of superhero. And why tease the possibility of bringing Ben back?

And Julia Carpenter, the new Madame Web (I still don't understand why they had to kill off the old one and make her the new one) apologizes to Peter about the loss that's to come.

Date: 2011-11-02 04:41 pm (UTC)
thehefner: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehefner
NOTE: CARLIE COOPER DIED ON THE WAY BACK TO HER HOME PLANET.

Date: 2011-11-02 08:11 pm (UTC)
mercia: Stephen Colbert has Slack (Default)
From: [personal profile] mercia
Carlie Cooper's plane was shot down over the Sea of Japan. There were no survivors.

Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2011-11-03 04:57 pm (UTC)
salinea: Deadpool has a fucking horned hat on and is ready to kick gum and chew ass. Errr, moderate s_d. (mod hat)
From: [personal profile] salinea
I'd like to remind you that [community profile] scans_daily is a feminist community. As such, jokes that are about violence towards women or female characters, and jokes about fridging are not welcome here. You are welcome to not like the character, but not to joke or support violence against women or female characters.

Re: Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2011-11-03 05:25 pm (UTC)
thehefner: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehefner
M*A*S*H. That's another commonly-known pop culture reference, at least here in the US. That episode was a seminal, huge event--another major character being written out of one of the highest rated television series of all time.

We are fans of pop culture, and often speak in terms of quotes, references, and subtext. If someone doesn't get the reference, is it our job to spell out the reference and educate people on the context? Or are references just verboten now, at the risk that what we say will be taken out of context by those not familiar with the same pop culture?

Re: Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2011-11-03 05:32 pm (UTC)
salinea: Deadpool has a fucking horned hat on and is ready to kick gum and chew ass. Errr, moderate s_d. (mod hat)
From: [personal profile] salinea
Was I being unclear? Quotes and pop culture references aren't the problem here. How they are used is. If you use quotes and pop culture references to joke about fridging a female character, then we have a problem. If you do not, carry on.

Re: Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2011-11-03 05:40 pm (UTC)
thehefner: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehefner
If references are now forbidden for fear of people taking them literally, then by that logic, no one's allowed to say "fridged" anymore either, because, since it references a violent act against a female character, that could be taken as advocating violence against women by those who either haven't heard the term on the internet or read the original story in Green Lantern.

Either way, fridging is a violent act against a female character and you’re using it in the exact same manner (actually, you’re using it in a much broader context, meaning “any female character death” rather than its original intended usage of “any female character death used to motivate a male character”). Why exactly is referencing it as pop culture shorthand for death acceptable, while other pop culture shorthand references to writing a character out of a storyline awkwardly through death unacceptable?

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Date: 2011-11-03 07:45 pm (UTC)
cleome45: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cleome45
Dude, everyone here knows you're not really advocating that women be stuffed in refrigerators.

But context matters, and in light of The Big Two's zeal for torturing and killing female characters for shits and giggles... jokes from fans along the lines of haw haw she's as good as dead just really aren't that fucking funny.

You aren't laughing at misogynists when you write stuff like that. You're laughing with them.

Please stop. There are better ways to complain about badly written/drawn characters in fiction.

Re: Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2011-11-04 12:51 am (UTC)
salinea: Deadpool has a fucking horned hat on and is ready to kick gum and chew ass. Errr, moderate s_d. (mod hat)
From: [personal profile] salinea
Once again, I am re-iterating the rule for you: do not advocate for violence against women or female characters. We are not talking about disallowing the term fridging or fridged or discussion of fridging. We are talking about not advocating for violence against women or female characters. That is not up for discussion

Re: Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2011-11-05 05:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] misterbug
Erm...it sounds an awful lot like you're just trying over and over again to tell him what he wrote, and that he's not allowed to think that any interpretation but yours is valid. Remember, just having authority doesn't automatically make your opinion more 'right' than anyone else's.

It's a reference to an in-joke about a fictional MALE character inside a fictional universe created as a gigantic joke within ANOTHER fictional universe, to make a snide metafictional comment about a completely unrelated character in yet a third fictional universe. Pretty sure that just advocates watching a very good episode of the The Simpsons, Ma'am, not violence against women.

Not to mention that 'Died' isn't at all the same as 'Was Killed' 'Suffered Violent Death', etc. It refers to...dying, a process that by hook or by crook happens to everyone, real or fictional, and doesn't always involve violence and/or the alteration of an equivalent male character's mood.

Additionally, what you're doing here? Really invalidates the idea of having Mods on the comm in the first place, as you're wasting your time policing a comment which only you have found offensive and which numerous people are saying is *not* offensive, not just the original poster. I've written offensive things on the 'net before - here and elsewhere, I won't deny it - but I've always stood down and apologised when I recognised that I was in the wrong.

And most notably, my comments were always flagged by Mods when someone other than the Mod - or numerous someones - were actually complaining about and feeling hurt about it. What you're doing here is, on a tiny scale, exactly the same as throwing tear gas at peaceful protestors. A waste of time and energy, and self-defeating.

I'm an English Lit. Student. I could spend hours and hours carefully detailing the different aspects of how wrong you are, Ma'am. Or...you could stop being angry over nothing, apologise to thehefner and mercia for an innocent mistake that anyone could have made, and go about looking for comments that people are actually complaining about and finding offensive.

Or...you could freeze the thread without warning again/get unreasonably angry at me for trying to reason with you/suspend me/ban me/do something else that's not reasonable. However, as you're a mod, I'd like to think you know better than that.

I really would like to.

Re: Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2011-11-05 04:32 pm (UTC)
cleome45: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cleome45
I didn't like the funny ha-ha death jokes, either. In fact, I was the one who asked [personal profile] salinea to do something about it.

But thanks for treating me like I'm invisible, using a belittling tone with a woman mod, and dragging out your English degree in order to more effectively put both the little ladies in our proper places.

The only person here at this point who owes anyone an apology is you.

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Date: 2011-11-05 04:34 pm (UTC)
cleome45: (founders1)
From: [personal profile] cleome45
And did you seriously just liken a polite difference of opinions to "throwing tear gas at peaceful protesters?"

Jesus.
H.
CHRIST.

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Re: Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2011-11-03 07:58 pm (UTC)
cleome45: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cleome45
Henry Blake was a beloved character. His death wasn't played for laughs, not even gallows laughs. Nobody-- viewer or character, rejoiced when he died in the story.

Big difference between the original connotations and what the line is being used for here. Again, please please think about the context here and what you're doing. :(

Re: Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2011-11-03 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
Less directed towards this example, which I don't really have an opinion on, and more towards the boards in general- that seems like an odd ruling. Given that A) Scans Daily exists to discuss comics, B) Superhero comics are a major genre of comics C) Superhero comics frequently involve violence and D) as a feminist/women-friendly community, Scans Daily tends to focus more on female characters than other boards might, I don't want to end up in a situation where I express approval of (f'r example) Sin being beat down at the climax of an arc and get called out for supporting violence against a female character.

Re: Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2011-11-03 08:55 pm (UTC)
salinea: Deadpool has a fucking horned hat on and is ready to kick gum and chew ass. Errr, moderate s_d. (mod hat)
From: [personal profile] salinea
I don't want to end up in a situation where I express approval of (f'r example) Sin being beat down at the climax of an arc and get called out for supporting violence against a female character.
There's a pretty large difference between joking about a love interest getting killed and expressing approval when a mass murderer villain gets a beat down. We are able to take context into consideration, so don't worry about this.

Date: 2011-11-02 09:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverzeo
Wasn't there a fan-parody of that with Dexter done in SImpson-style

Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2011-11-03 04:57 pm (UTC)
salinea: Deadpool has a fucking horned hat on and is ready to kick gum and chew ass. Errr, moderate s_d. (mod hat)
From: [personal profile] salinea
I'd like to remind you that [community profile] scans_daily is a feminist community. As such, jokes that are about violence towards women or female characters, and jokes about fridging are not welcome here. You are welcome to not like the character, but not to joke or support violence against women or female characters.

Re: Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2011-11-03 05:17 pm (UTC)
thehefner: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehefner
... It's a Simpsons quote. It's... a bloody Simpsons quote. A commonly referenced episode that's become pop culture shorthand--at least in the States. It's a reference to a character who has outstayed their welcome and was awkwardly removed from the storyline.

Let me ask honestly: were you familiar with the context? Did you recognize the reference? Furthermore, I wasn't even the first to make this reference, and yet you haven't left a mod note on icon_uk's thread, which he posted fifteen minutes before I posted mine. Why didn't you say something there? Did his use of strikeouts make the quote clearer to you?

All right, I understand that not everyone's seen the episode, and to anyone who actually was offended, to THEM ALONE I apologize and will strive to be more careful and thoughtful in the future. If I quote anything that I feel might be mistaken by those who don't know the context, then I shall reference it accordingly. How's that?

Fucking hell.

Re: Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2011-11-03 05:21 pm (UTC)
salinea: Deadpool has a fucking horned hat on and is ready to kick gum and chew ass. Errr, moderate s_d. (mod hat)
From: [personal profile] salinea
It being a quote doesn't make it any less a joke about killing a female character.

Thanks for bringing [personal profile] icon_uk's comment to my attention, I had missed it.

Re: Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2011-11-03 05:38 pm (UTC)
thehefner: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehefner
Except it wasn't about killing a female character, but rather how an editor would make the excuse for said character vanishing from a story as they awkwardly writer him/her out.

Re: Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2011-11-03 07:48 pm (UTC)
cleome45: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cleome45
I get the reference. I've seen the Simpsons.

It still left a bad taste in my mouth. So, to be fair, did the other posts that made funny ha-has about fridging female characters.

Re: Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2011-11-05 01:57 am (UTC)
kashmirkong: Batman in a bowler hat. (Default)
From: [personal profile] kashmirkong
I hear ya. This is why I rarely comment or visit Scans Daily anymore.

(frozen) Re: Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2012-10-18 06:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sallymustard
A bloobloobloo! You can go literally anywhere else on the internet and be edgy neckbeard funny. It is not one ounce of a tragedy that this kind of attention is paid to these matters in this one single solitary space.

(frozen) Re: Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2012-10-18 06:35 pm (UTC)
sallymustard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sallymustard
Do I need a reason?

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