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Peter goes after Strange, demanding to know how Carlie could have uncovered his identity after his spell.



The thing he has to do is give MJ the antidote, since she still has her spider-powers.

Also, Kaine is now scarless, and from the looks of it I'm guessing he's going to be the new Scarlet Spider. I liked what they did with Kaine when they brought him back (before 'killing' him off), but I'm not too crazy about prettifying him and making him some sort of superhero. And why tease the possibility of bringing Ben back?

And Julia Carpenter, the new Madame Web (I still don't understand why they had to kill off the old one and make her the new one) apologizes to Peter about the loss that's to come.

Date: 2011-11-02 05:58 pm (UTC)
akodo_rokku: (Default)
From: [personal profile] akodo_rokku
Speaking of people knowing Pete's secret ID:

How the hell does the Jackal still know it? I dunno how this is JUST coming to me, but per the mystic mumbo jumbo which was still in tact back when Spider-Island started, he could not have possibly known. I mean freakin' NORMAN OSBORN doesn't know any more, and him knowing used to be the only thing that made him a legitimately threatening villain. God damn is that a plot hole big enough to drive a truck through.

Date: 2011-11-02 06:36 pm (UTC)
alexanderlucard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexanderlucard
Probably all of his old research notes and pieces of Peter Parker clones lying around.

Date: 2011-11-02 06:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
And yet Norman Osborn didn't know?

Date: 2011-11-02 07:48 pm (UTC)
alexanderlucard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexanderlucard
Norman doesn't have an abundance of failed clones with Peter Parker's face and Spider-Man's powers lying around though.

Date: 2011-11-02 10:11 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
You just know he WANTS them though.

Date: 2011-11-02 07:08 pm (UTC)
cainofdreaming: cain's mark (pic#364829)
From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
And Norman wouldn't have several hideouts with the walls full of words like - "Kill the Spider. Kill the Parker. Kill the Spider. Peter, Peter, Peter... maybe I'll kill you with a parking meter?" - scrawled on them with his fingernails?

Also, everyone who put it on their facebook page or diary when Peter first unmasked himself also knows?

Date: 2011-11-02 07:51 pm (UTC)
alexanderlucard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexanderlucard
A facebook pic for sure would do that, but someone would have to go back looking for that. Just having something written like "Peter Parker is Spider-Man" wouldn't work.

According to this to break the spell Peter either has to be unmasked or unmask himself to someone. He hasn't done that with Osborn. However, the Jackal has what, video footage of his cloning technique, Peter's DNA, Ben Reilly, Kaine, Spidercide and several other stupid things to fall back on that could be the cause. I don't like it either but at least with the Jackal there are a lot of easy excuses as to why he remembers.

Date: 2011-11-02 08:12 pm (UTC)
cainofdreaming: cain's mark (pic#364829)
From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
Bet you a wooden nickel against all the gold in Fort Knox that the video of Peter's unmasking landed on youtube the exact moment someone's smartphone got through the gazillion simultaneous uploading attempts. So, if Jackal's stuff is exempt from the spell then why isn't stuff like that?

Date: 2011-11-02 08:18 pm (UTC)
alexanderlucard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexanderlucard
See, now that would be an awesome SIDE ARC for a well written Spider-Man story. Unfortunately, look what we have. We have me trying to solve how the hell the current storyline works and you coming up with the next Parker Luck fiasco.

Dear Marvel - plz credit us.

Seriously though, my guess is that Iron Man or someone had the video pulled like a lot of companies do with copyright shit. You Tube pulls videos left and right these days if they are told to and I could see Spidey's unmasking being just such a thing. Although that would mean there are a lot of DVRs out there that spell Peter Parker's eventual doom doom doom doomy doom doom.

Date: 2011-11-02 07:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
But the magic-crap previously in place thanks to Strange should, as it seems, turn anything indicating 'Peter Parker = Spider-Man' and stuff like that as mumbo-jumbo, right?

Unless we're saying that Jackal figured it out again thanks to Peter being dumb enough to talk about his 'new' powers on the internet, which is impossible, I think, in terms of the storyline's progression.

Date: 2011-11-02 07:47 pm (UTC)
alexanderlucard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexanderlucard
Well the key here is the "unmasking himself to others."

It's a visual, not verbal. My guess would be that the Jackal has video footage of his experiments, plus all of his Ben Reilly and Kaine stuff. With the dna, experiments and the like lying around, it would have been impossible for the Jackal not to have something of Peter or Ben or Kaine (all the same person visually) and if someone that looks like peter having spider powers would trigger the spell to be broken, then the jackal has enough of his own creations that could trigger that.

Date: 2011-11-02 07:51 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
That's a stretch, but I guess it fits. I don't like it, but it's probably better than whatever bullshit Slott would come up with.

Date: 2011-11-02 07:53 pm (UTC)
alexanderlucard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexanderlucard
Hey, they don't pay me to write comics. I do feel I should be in the running for a No-Prize for this covoluted explaination though!

Date: 2011-11-02 07:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] akodo_rokku
Thing is, under the specific terms of the hoojoo that wouldn't matter. He could have a thousand Parker clones with spider powers and he wouldn't be able to figure it out, because as shown in this issue, the only way anyone could find out his identity was if Pete intentionally revealed it.

Like I said. Truck-sized hole.

Date: 2011-11-02 08:13 pm (UTC)
alexanderlucard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexanderlucard
Yeah, but he's got that due to the clones. He's got to have footage of Peter unmasking or even Ben Reilly thinking he's Spider-Man saying "I AM SPIDER-MAN"

My personal thought is it goes like this.

"Hmmm. What to watch tonight? Porn. Gay Porn. Dwarf Porn. Furrie Porn. Wait what's this? "Peter Parker/Ben Reilly/Spider-Man footage #235. Nyahahahaha! How could I have forgotten this video? It must be all these men having a three way! Perhaps I can use Spider-Man's homosexual love of Peter Parker against him in some way!"

15 minutes later....

"HOLY CRAP! PETER PARKER IS SPIDER-MAN! HOW DID I NOT REMEMBER THIS?"

Date: 2011-11-02 08:23 pm (UTC)
akodo_rokku: (Default)
From: [personal profile] akodo_rokku
Said footage would have been wiped/altered under the terms of the hoojoo though, otherwise anyone with recorded footage of Pete's public unmasking during Civil War would have known his ID immediately.

I maintain the truck hole!

Date: 2011-11-02 08:32 pm (UTC)
alexanderlucard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexanderlucard
But we don't know if anyone has the video footage and if so, if said people have watched it since. For all me know there's a ticking time bomb on JJJ's DVR.

Personally if I were writing Spider-Man, I'd use that as a massive plot point and to further hone in that magic requires pretty anal retentive wording.

Date: 2011-11-02 08:35 pm (UTC)
akodo_rokku: (Default)
From: [personal profile] akodo_rokku
Well, it was established at one point (I couldn't quote the issue number to you) that people remember Spider-Man publicly unmasking during Civil War. They just don't remember what the face was. So I'm pretty sure those DVRs have been checked!

I think working on post-OMD Spidey is just melting Dan Slott's formerly fine sense of continuity.

Date: 2011-11-02 08:40 pm (UTC)
alexanderlucard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexanderlucard
Agreed. Hell, between this and the DC relaunch I have a hard time knowing what the hell actually happened and what didn't in continuity.

Maybe it's a big blur over Spidey's face? But if that's the case how did the internet thing work? Maybe magic doesn't work on the internet? Quick Spidey - look up your marriage to MJ!

At least with jackal he can look back and go "Who did I clone Ben and Kaine from" and have some sort of record that can be traced back to Peter. I'm sure that we can find something that is plausible in that whole spider-cloning history that would jog his memory.

Of course Kaine remembers, right? And jackal had kaine under his control for a bit in Spider-Island. Maybe that's how?

Date: 2011-11-02 08:49 pm (UTC)
akodo_rokku: (Default)
From: [personal profile] akodo_rokku
Could be. But from how the whole thing was done in... whatever issue it was, only people inside the Magic Bubble (Pete and MJ) were supposed to remember the secret. Which means, in theory, Kaine wouldn't. Even though he could look in a mirror and... guh, brain hurty.

Date: 2011-11-02 08:53 pm (UTC)
alexanderlucard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexanderlucard
Yeah, the clones make this a headache. Which is the only reason I see jackal having a "get out of magic free" card.

"Why the hell do I have so many clones of Peter Parker and why do they all have Spider-Man's powers? I'm obviously missing something here!"

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Date: 2011-11-02 06:20 pm (UTC)
wizardru: Hellboy (Default)
From: [personal profile] wizardru
Not directly, no.....but most of them happened because of association with Peter and Spiderman. How many people were duped into the Hobgoblin business who all had direct connections to Peter and Spiderman? Almost all of them are just one step away and were part of the domino chain that he starts. I mean, he didn't drive Betty crazy, but Betty went crazy because of all the spiderman-related craziness in her life.

I didn't even include the number of times Mary Jane was a target or people near Peter were put in danger because a villain knew that Peter himself had a relationship of sorts with Spiderman. How many times has a villain sought him out because he was Spidey's unofficial photographer?

Point being: Peter's not just being cautious, he's got stacks of police report blotters to remind him of why being associated with Spiderman is a dangerous thing and why revealing that secret is not something done lightly. It's not like revealing you don't like onions, tattoos or circumcision. :)

Date: 2011-11-02 07:00 pm (UTC)
wizardru: Hellboy (Default)
From: [personal profile] wizardru
Fair point.

Of course, Peter doesn't know he's a protagonist, or he'd realize this. :)

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