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Peter goes after Strange, demanding to know how Carlie could have uncovered his identity after his spell.



The thing he has to do is give MJ the antidote, since she still has her spider-powers.

Also, Kaine is now scarless, and from the looks of it I'm guessing he's going to be the new Scarlet Spider. I liked what they did with Kaine when they brought him back (before 'killing' him off), but I'm not too crazy about prettifying him and making him some sort of superhero. And why tease the possibility of bringing Ben back?

And Julia Carpenter, the new Madame Web (I still don't understand why they had to kill off the old one and make her the new one) apologizes to Peter about the loss that's to come.

Re: Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2011-11-04 12:51 am (UTC)
salinea: Deadpool has a fucking horned hat on and is ready to kick gum and chew ass. Errr, moderate s_d. (mod hat)
From: [personal profile] salinea
Once again, I am re-iterating the rule for you: do not advocate for violence against women or female characters. We are not talking about disallowing the term fridging or fridged or discussion of fridging. We are talking about not advocating for violence against women or female characters. That is not up for discussion

Re: Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2011-11-05 05:04 am (UTC)
misterbug: (Default)
From: [personal profile] misterbug
Erm...it sounds an awful lot like you're just trying over and over again to tell him what he wrote, and that he's not allowed to think that any interpretation but yours is valid. Remember, just having authority doesn't automatically make your opinion more 'right' than anyone else's.

It's a reference to an in-joke about a fictional MALE character inside a fictional universe created as a gigantic joke within ANOTHER fictional universe, to make a snide metafictional comment about a completely unrelated character in yet a third fictional universe. Pretty sure that just advocates watching a very good episode of the The Simpsons, Ma'am, not violence against women.

Not to mention that 'Died' isn't at all the same as 'Was Killed' 'Suffered Violent Death', etc. It refers to...dying, a process that by hook or by crook happens to everyone, real or fictional, and doesn't always involve violence and/or the alteration of an equivalent male character's mood.

Additionally, what you're doing here? Really invalidates the idea of having Mods on the comm in the first place, as you're wasting your time policing a comment which only you have found offensive and which numerous people are saying is *not* offensive, not just the original poster. I've written offensive things on the 'net before - here and elsewhere, I won't deny it - but I've always stood down and apologised when I recognised that I was in the wrong.

And most notably, my comments were always flagged by Mods when someone other than the Mod - or numerous someones - were actually complaining about and feeling hurt about it. What you're doing here is, on a tiny scale, exactly the same as throwing tear gas at peaceful protestors. A waste of time and energy, and self-defeating.

I'm an English Lit. Student. I could spend hours and hours carefully detailing the different aspects of how wrong you are, Ma'am. Or...you could stop being angry over nothing, apologise to thehefner and mercia for an innocent mistake that anyone could have made, and go about looking for comments that people are actually complaining about and finding offensive.

Or...you could freeze the thread without warning again/get unreasonably angry at me for trying to reason with you/suspend me/ban me/do something else that's not reasonable. However, as you're a mod, I'd like to think you know better than that.

I really would like to.

Re: Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2011-11-05 04:32 pm (UTC)
cleome45: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cleome45
I didn't like the funny ha-ha death jokes, either. In fact, I was the one who asked [personal profile] salinea to do something about it.

But thanks for treating me like I'm invisible, using a belittling tone with a woman mod, and dragging out your English degree in order to more effectively put both the little ladies in our proper places.

The only person here at this point who owes anyone an apology is you.

Re: Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2011-11-05 04:56 pm (UTC)
misterbug: (Default)
From: [personal profile] misterbug
Gosh, I'm so sorry. I shouldn't have treated you as invisible. You're clearly the offended party here, and I should have taken the issue directly to you, when you posted your original...that is, when you first responded to thehefner...I mean, let me just pull up that original reply of yours...um.

Oh, wait...you didn't actually reply to thehefner. Yes, you replied to salinea, but you'll note that I'm defending the Simpsons reference, which, again isn't at all inherently sexist either in its original context or in the context of talking about a hypothetical death with no violence implied. If you don't fight the battle yourself instead of hiding behind a mod, why is it a surprise to you that I unwittingly treated you as 'invisible'?

Frankly, I couldn't care less what sex you are when I argue that you're wrong. The fact that you even started this long, arduous chain of replies is in itself proof that the definition of 'sexism' on this comm is largely hypocritical - you're pulling out the "THAT'S SEXIST" argument to attack a humorous comment referring to a Spider-Man character whose very existence and creation are in themselves fifty times more inherently sexist than that comment.

Additionally, you haven't really addressed the above-stated fact that there are more people arguing AGAINST your point than FOR it, and that you might - perhaps - need to get off your high horse and recognise that you're wrong, or at least that no matter who is wrong or right, you're blowing the issue out of proportion.

Do feel free to again interpret my attempts at being polite as 'belittling'. Because as we all know, when a debater asks their opponent to be reasonable and refers to them with a respectful 'Ma'am' or 'Sir', they really wants the opponent to feel belittled.

Re: P.S.

Date: 2011-11-05 04:34 pm (UTC)
cleome45: (founders1)
From: [personal profile] cleome45
And did you seriously just liken a polite difference of opinions to "throwing tear gas at peaceful protesters?"

Jesus.
H.
CHRIST.

Re: P.S.

Date: 2011-11-05 04:59 pm (UTC)
misterbug: (Default)
From: [personal profile] misterbug
Oh, gosh! Did my analogy comparing a post on the internet to a real, violent crime offend you? I would apologise, had you not done exactly the same thing.

If it's okay to call 'Died On The Way Back To ___'s Home Planet' the same as advocating murder, it's okay to call 'That is not up for discussion' the same as throwing tear gas.

Sorry to break it to you, but you can't argue by a double standard. It's not a feasible debate method.

Re: Addendum to Mod Note

Date: 2011-11-05 05:05 pm (UTC)
salinea: Deadpool has a fucking horned hat on and is ready to kick gum and chew ass. Errr, moderate s_d. (mod hat)
From: [personal profile] salinea
This thread is frozen until the mod team can come back to you with the proper answer.

Mod Ban

Date: 2011-11-05 06:46 pm (UTC)
salinea: Deadpool has a fucking horned hat on and is ready to kick gum and chew ass. Errr, moderate s_d. (mod hat)
From: [personal profile] salinea
I'm not telling [profile] the_hefner what was his intent when he wrote it; I was repeatedly correcting him when he attributed our moderation to him using a pop culture reference with a quote. Many interpretations are valid, but I think ours definitely count. Remember also that we are 6 moderators behind the scene, and that most of our sanctioning (as it was the case here) is done by consensus, so it's not like it's my random interpretation, it's one we agreed on; which helps us having a reasonable faith that it is valid.

In case we were unclear in our clarification earlier : even though this is a quote/pop culture reference, by using it in this context against a female character whose narrative role is that of a love interest, who is pretty unpopular in fandom and has been subjected to extreme amounts of bashing and occasional actual wishes for killing, long term transformations into a spider, and was, in this very post, also called by various posters "hysterical", "harpy" and a "uppity bitch"; we have judged that it participates to a disturbing and sexist atmosphere that does not fit [community profile] scans_daily's ethos and we politely asked people to be more careful about such things. You'll notice that we did so with a Mod Note, which is to say, a kind of sanction which offers no penalty at all to the posters, it only serves as information and reminder of the nature of the rules of the community.

It's nice of you to be concerned about time wasted for us, but this comment is hardly helpful in this regard. In any case, our time is our own, and I would not consider wasted in this case.

Also, you seem unaware that we were actually acting at the behest of someone's request who felt uncomfortable by those jokes. (The complaint being an open comment in this very post as well, you should be able to find it for yourself).

However, as a result of your belligerence, rudeness, baiting, grandstanding and passive-aggressiveness towards the mods and - especially - towards another member in your answers to [personal profile] cleome45, and considering this is not the first you post problematic things, the mod team has decided to ban you from [community profile] scans_daily permanently.

You have now been banned from Scans Daily.

I wish you the best in the continuation of your English Lit studies.

Re: Mod Ban

Date: 2011-11-05 07:51 pm (UTC)
schmevil: (deb)
From: [personal profile] schmevil
I wish you the best in the continuation of your English Lit studies.

*golf clap*

Re: Mod Ban

Date: 2011-11-05 08:32 pm (UTC)
cleome45: (michael1)
From: [personal profile] cleome45
I'll see your golf clap and raise you a box of cookies/biscuits.

Re: Mod Ban

Date: 2011-11-05 08:34 pm (UTC)
schmevil: (Default)
From: [personal profile] schmevil
Dude, yes. I could go for a biscuit right about now.

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