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Since we've had all those spirited discussions about Hope's criticism of Xavier's school; and then contrasted with Dani's criticism of both Logan and Scott's position after Schism; I thought it'd be interesting to post some other scans from Generation Hope; right at the start of Schism, which explores the History of mutants, as a counterpoint:

It starts with Idie being surprised by the idea that stopping Sentinels is the thing to do; since she views herself as a mutants as a monster. Laurie tries to explain that Sentinels aren't really for protecting humans from evil mutants.

I hadn't noticed at the time, but in retrospect with all this discussion - oh, Hope, honey. You really should be more interested in the past.

Laurie and Idie go to the museum, and they find Kenji already here (he came early to see the old Sentinel's design, cuz it's a classic. (Kenji cracks me up, have I mentioned that before? :))

While Laurie and Kenji continue their discussion, Idie wanders in the museum and finds Prodigy in front of a portrait of Stryker, saying: "I know that people like him have to be here. It's part of the story. Doesn't mean I like it much."

And he ends with "but you know the sickest thing of all? It could be worse."

And then the attack against the X-Men at the museum happens and Idie is alone to be able to stop it.

But Hope knew all about that, right?

Date: 2011-11-12 10:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
It's a moment, yes, but it kinda falls flat for me because it just doesn't mesh with how the Hound procedure has been shown to work. When Ahab did it to Scott and Sue Richards it wasn't anything where your mental state would play a factor. Scared, brave... it altered you on a genetic level and remade you into a biological mutant hunting machine.

So... continuity. Eh.

Date: 2011-11-12 10:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
As Ahab was retconned in after the fact, I can handwave it away with him taking a different tack with Scott and Sue because they had not had time to be programmed the way Rachel was, a much more "down and dirty hack job" rather than the sort of training that Rachel would have had.

Date: 2011-11-12 10:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tammy_moore
I can sort of accept it, because it is from Rachel's point-of-view. Being scared isn't why she did it, it's why she blames herself for doing it. In the end, after all, she did overcome her conditioning. So why couldn't she do it earlier? Because she wasn't brave enough, because she was scared.*

I am slightly askew with it being presented with no further explanation, but perhaps there was further discussion we don't see?

*Not agreeing with that, in case it sounds victim-blaming, just saying I could believe that is what she thought erroneously about herself.

Date: 2011-11-12 10:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Yea, that sounds right to me. Even if you *couldn't* do anything about it, you still feel like you did it. That's hard to get over.


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