Nightwing #3

[superfangirl1]

Mr.Haly's son was the one that hired the assassin Saiko.

Comments

[kd_the_movie]

*groans at Dick being pre!My PARENTS ARE DEAD only five years ago.*

[filthysize]

That's actually a more significant retcon than they're treating it. Dick is supposed to be 21 in the DCnU, so that means he was 16 when Bruce took him in as his ward and made him Robin. That just makes me think of Batman Forever.

[jlbarnett]

so I'm not the only one who thought of Chris O'Donnell

[icon_uk]

Hell no... though alas, not in the GOOD way....

[airawyn]

Yeah, I hate that. Even Kyle Higgins agrees that "'five years' is nonsense". Nothing to be done but wait for the next retcon.

[eyz]

...and we all know it will happen soon enough.
*looks at Dan Didio's answer to "next year we'll have the hooded lady mystery come back/be resolved"-thingie*

[jaybee3]

I think when the writers revolt then DC knows its going to start backtracking (much like this don't call Dick Grayson "Dick" stuff Gail Simone said she was directed by Editorial that pretty much everyone is ignoring).

If DC was going to go full on-reboot (which I think they should have even if a lot of characters and every Robin but Dick would be gone) then they could have gotten away with this 5 year timeline. But as it is now they want the readers to believe that all these people (both heroes and villains) have established relationships/only been active in the last 5 years and pretty much everybody is under 30. Which is untenable. It's difficult enough to swallow that Barbara Gordon is now supposed to be in the same age group as Cass Cain and Tim Drake.

[eyz]

..and Superman, and Barry Allen, and..What? Aren't they all 20-somethings/early-30s now?

Anyway, that's what I thought. Everybody now has the same age. Batman, Superman, Batwoman, Flash, Batgirl, Nightwing, Booster Gold, etc...
And then there's the mid-teens, Robin, Wonder Girl, etc.

(and then Damian, the only one to have his own different age)

[eyz]

I've been "groaning" since day one.
(5-years new "streamlined" timeline, Jaime Reyes starting all over from scratch yet following the same plotlines from the past, JLI retconned, no Ted Kord, Wildstorm Universe incorporated yet no Shazam/Faucett Comics around,..)

[aeka]

It's official. Dick still has a redhead fetish even in the new DCU. ♥

[brilliantnova]

lol this

[icon_uk]

So when Bruce made Jason dye his hair from red-blond to black, it was actually to prevent possible intra-Robin relations?

[aeka]

Quite possibly. ;)

[icon_uk]

Sigh, so Dick was THAT old before his parent's died?

No... just... no.

[nyadnar17]

Like the book. NOT happy with the recon. Dick's age when Bruce took him in is a big part of his character. If he was freaken 16 when Bruce found him the dynamic of the relationship changes.


Why are they even doing this? Yeah in the DCnU superheroes have only been active for 5 years, but I thought it was established that Batman and the Earthbased GL's had been operating for at least 5 years before that. Why are they compressing their timelines?

[icon_uk]

Indeed the whole relationship is altered, they would probably be closer to brothers than father and son, but the father and son thing should be, if nothing else in the Batverse is, inviolable.

[jlbarnett]

If Dick was 16 when his parents died why wouldn't he just be able to have himself emancipated?

[icon_uk]

A travelling circus might not be viewed as a stable environment so it might make emancipation tricky, or he might not want to be emancipated, nor have the resources to do so.

[jlbarnett]

true, at the same time it'd be the place where he'd have recieved his entire education and he'd be a non-local who was stuck with their child services by sheer chance, combined with the fact he'd be a legal adult in just two years, why the hell wouldn't they do everything they could to not have to use resources on him.

[kenn_el]

Who says he didn't? If Bruce just trained him to be Robin, then there's no reason that Dick couldn't just sign on as an adult. (Though I imagine Gotham rumor mills would have a field day with Batchelor Bruce sharing the mansion and the fortune with a nearly-adult male.)

[icon_uk]

Thus removing the entirety of Bruce becoming Dick's adoptive father? ICK!

[kenn_el]

The actual adoption never appealed to me, so I'm happy to lose it. Dick was old enough even pre-Flashpoint to have had a relationship with his parents that an adoption seemed to infringe upon.

[icon_uk]

I actually meant "whatever variation of custody Bruce had with Dick when he took him in". Guardian/ward or adoptive father/son. Their father-son bond has always been clear without needing to be stated or legally clarified.

And to his credit, Bruce was always shown to never force "his" kids into adoption, he said it was something he would like to do, but not if they felt it was disrespectful to their birth parents.

[rordulum]

That seems like something I'm just going to ignore.

Like much of the DCnU.

Dick certainly seems to be doing a lot of travelling so far in this book. Planes, trains, what's next? It's almost a John Hughes movie.

[sistermagpie]

Thank goodness other people are reacting to this the way I did because no, DC, you do not get to erase Dick and Bruce's relationship. Along with Bruce/every other Robin. Why would you even want to do that?

[junipepper]

This. Exactly. What the hell does it accomplish?

Maybe they do want to erase all that history, to make Master Damien Wayne the One True Son.

Also, I'm having a hard time picturing 16- or 17-year old Dick agreeing to wear the manties. When he'd had that costume forever, and still had it at that age, it was almost understandable. But this? No.

[icon_uk]

I'm guessing the manties might be out of continuity too, and you can only BEGIN to imagine what a sad panda that makes icon_uk.

[littlepunkryo]

I think they are, too :/ Which, I get it, that now people look at those and think they're a joke or vaguely inappropriate, but they're just so synonymous with Robin - and Dick in particular - that it bothers me more than I thought it would. Combine that with him not being taken in by Bruce till he's sixteen, erasing a lot of the father/son vibe and (to me) erasing one of my favorite aspects of their relationship, changing his costume to red instead of blue, and that stupid "make everyone call him Richard" thing, I feel very "why won't you just leave Dick alone???" right now.

[kenn_el]

And thus begins the 'Leave My Dick Alone!' campaign! I want T-shirts!

[littlepunkryo]

....actually I would wear a T-shirt, provided it had the perfect picture of Dick on it.

[icon_uk]

How about

'Leave My Dick Alone!'



It works on multiple levels! :)

[littlepunkryo]

Haha yes! I especially appreciate the scaly underpants, Dick has some nice legs.

[junipepper]

I'd wear that. A Dick shirt seems like something every girl should have.

Yeah, we'll just leave that little syntactical ambiguity alone, 'k?

[kenn_el]

I'd wear it to work!

[superfangirl1]

I want two shirts like these. <3

[junipepper]

I saw that Batgirl called him "Richard," but he does seem to be going by "Dick" mostly in his own book, so far at least.

I mean, I can see that as an adult, you might want to introduce yourself to new people by your formal name; that's not uncommon at all. But -- Babs?

[littlepunkryo]

Those were my feelings, too. It seemed weird that everyone ELSE was calling him Dick, but she was going with Richard. Simone basically said on the CBR forums that she was asked to do it but it ended up not sticking, so I'm not worried about that anymore, thankfully! Although I wonder if she's gonna have her calling him Richard now just so that her doing it before doesn't seem odd.

[junipepper]

NO! Not the manties!!!

Is nothing sacred?

[big_daddy_d]

Just when I'm becoming accepting of this 5 years crap, they do this.

Ugh

[lucky_sometimes]

I don't like anything but the art, since book 2. I think 'Dick Grayson likes to put it inside redheads' is a pretty lame character facet to home in on. So in book two, he's giving it up too easy again, and in book 3 its LOL GINGER GIRLS R HAWT. Pretty callow crap, if you ask me. Also, and this does harken back to old continuities, why does Dick Grayson always need a woman in his life to tell him if he's good or he's bad? He's got his own moral compass.

I'm also finding his new personality to be a Peter Parker retread, and it's bumming me out. I miss the older, calmer, more focused Dick Grayson, and this backwards sprint they have the character in is... sad.

I am pretty sure Higgins has better ideas than this, but is constrained by some editorial handcuffs. Still. Disappointing.

[drmcninja]

Wow, that is one gigantic moon. Better watch out, Dick, tidal wave's a'comin.

[thanekos]

" The moon has declared war on Richard John Grayson.. "