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Hullo! Longtime reader and fan, bringing for your holiday enjoyment, a nice tale of "Times Past". As context, please refer to the "Grand Guignol" arc of James Robinson's Starman. First to share are two panels from the original story, and the re-telling. Please enjoy this as much as I have through the years. If the HTML gets borked, please change up as necessary or notify me.

Inza will break from her daily routine of wearing the most badical hats in comics. Its okay to stare.

Unsure if the print came out right on this one. If not, I can always re-upload. As an aside, Dr. MidNite is still awesome.

Hilarity ensues wait...wrong trope. Try "Lets Them and Them Fight"...wait.

The BrainWave doesn't make the rules, he just exploits them. See Pemberton, Mary.

Of course, the slightly cruel option of launching Peachy Pet fastball-style wasn't approached.

I now petition for a "F-Yeah Inza!" tag somewhere, somewhy.

Mindwiping? Yeah, THAT usually ends well...

This is a precursor to any Jack Knight awesomeness which is forthcoming. Wait for it...

And a slight spoiler alert? This isn't 1951. Although, it would have ROCKED if it was.

Hoping I get all the right tags here. If not, please adjust as needed.

Date: 2011-12-13 11:29 am (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
Yay! ^^ Dian Belmont to the rescue! Also other people. Jack Knight always seemed cool in the flashbacks as well. :)

Date: 2011-12-13 11:33 am (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
Jack Knight's mum, I mean.

Date: 2011-12-13 11:06 pm (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
Yeah, it is a nice touch that it isn't Wesley Dodds that is Jack hero, despite him being the first actual superhero in the DCU's modern era (the Spectre being the first superpowered one), as well as being a detective whose skills even Batman looks up to, it's Dian.

Dian was not only an equal partner in Wesley's adventures in the original comics (before they sidelined her in place for her nephew Sandy, for a more conventional Robin-ish sidekick) as well as being a very adept crime fighter in the Vertigo edge of the DCU's Sandman Mystery Theatre (which actually acts as a direct prequel in Starman in several issues, it has the origin of the Mist for example), but she's also a social activist and Nobel Prize winning novelist as well.

Both of 'em are awesome, and both need more love to be honest. And Dian definately benefitted from the fact that she was basically on equal billing with Wesley in SMT, as opposed to being "just" a love interest or damsel in distress.

Date: 2011-12-13 12:39 pm (UTC)
wizardru: Hellboy (Default)
From: [personal profile] wizardru
Oh, look...it's James Robinson's talent. I knew he left it lying around somewhere.

Date: 2011-12-13 02:52 pm (UTC)
thatnickguy: Oreo-lovin' Martian (Default)
From: [personal profile] thatnickguy
He's still got it in some ways. I've been digging The Shade, for example.

Date: 2011-12-14 04:11 am (UTC)
jaybee3: Nguyen Lil Cass (Default)
From: [personal profile] jaybee3
Robinson works best with lower-tier characters with little in terms of concrete backstory. That's why he was a much better fit for JSA than JLA. He made me care about Starman (the least interesting of the Golden Agers IMO) and gave Ted Knight one of the best (and most "heroic") deaths in super-hero history (contrast that with what was done to his compatriots Dr. Mid-nite and the Atom in Zero Hour who were one-shotted in one panel, Mid-nite even dying off-screen). He was also good with Mon-El during his Superman run (his Superman on the other hand was "meh", although that may have been tied with the New Krypton mess where they ended up having Earth committing genocide against Superman's people with ZERO ramifications).

Date: 2011-12-14 02:41 pm (UTC)
jaybee3: Nguyen Lil Cass (Default)
From: [personal profile] jaybee3
New Krypton was VERY frustrating (perhaps the worst Superman storyline in it conclusion in over a decade) especially since you can tell the hand of Editorial more clearly in it than virtually any other Supes story (I'm talking Emerald Twilight levels of interference). Rucka, Gates and Robinson (and Johns before them) had been setting up New Krypton for several years and in the space of literally one month - New Krypton and all the men, women and children on it are destroyed by a bomb planted/created by Lex Luthor (and Lex is never called out on it by Supes or anybody even though Reactron straight up told Supergirl and Allura who made it), Allura (who had been set up as a very interesting and conflicted character) was killed in the blast, General Lane who was turned into a one dimensional madmen killed himself (and apparently even though it was a US military operation conveniently no one else was ever held responsible for genocide) even though he was proud at what he had done, Zod who in essence became a sympthatetic character (since he was basically right about the threat to the Ks and Kal-El was wrong) became basically a kamikaze pilot instead of a military leader, Supergirl never dealt with the fallout over the death of her mother and her whole people and her role in it (she brought Reactron to New Krypton) and even though Gates said there would be issues about it he was quickly pulled off Supergirl and it was like her entire species wasn't just killed by the planet she was saving every month in JLA and of course Superman did NOTHING. He didn't stop Lane, he didn't prevent the deaths of any of his Red Shard Kryptonian squad who looked up to him and the only anger he showed was to Zod. It was Superboy (who wasn't even a factor in the New K storyline) who saved the day by ending the war by transporting the surviving K's (who were basically fighting for the entire existence at that point) into the Phantom Zone (which Superman himself once said was a fate worse than death). I'm not even going to go into Captain Atom's storyline with the magic world where Atlas came from because that was never elaborated on. The whole storyline ended in one giant clusterf!ck as if DC said the whole storyline didn't deserve a proper ending after 2+ years...and just like in Cry for Justice, Robinson wrote it with as little nuance or genuine emotion as possible. Genocide (which is what both Robinson and Gates called it) of an entire species is a HUGE deal -and yet there was zero fallout from it (unless you count Superman walking across America).

Date: 2011-12-13 12:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] werehawk
Too early in the morning. I was skimming and read a box on the third new page that said "The JSA were already...attacked" as "The JSA were already...stacked". Must have been the underlining. Eventually, I blinked my tired eyes and it made sense.

Date: 2011-12-13 01:44 pm (UTC)
eyz: (Default)
From: [personal profile] eyz
That is some beautiful artwork!
Love the pulp-ysh tone^^

Date: 2011-12-13 03:10 pm (UTC)
werehawk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] werehawk
I can't believe they mindwiped their girlfriends. Seems like a creepy crisis of conscience.

Date: 2011-12-13 04:43 pm (UTC)
jaybee3: Nguyen Lil Cass (Default)
From: [personal profile] jaybee3
This was cute. Too bad they had to resort to mind-wiping again (the old DC standby spanning generations - even Saturn Girl was using it centuries later). Also proof that the Golden Age love interests were more than just eye candy or damsels in distress. Inza, Dian, Shiera, Joan Williams-Garrick, these were women who were really EQUALS with their partners/husbands. Contrast that to today where the only super-hero marriage to make it out of the reboot was Animal Man's.

So Ted loved his wife too - which makes the total non-guilt between Black Canary and Starman in their adulterous tryst posted earlier (also written by Robinson) even more hard to understand.

Date: 2011-12-13 06:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrosa
The art and the colors are so beautiful!

Date: 2011-12-13 06:43 pm (UTC)
pyrotwilight: (Default)
From: [personal profile] pyrotwilight
So who's Spectre Lass?

Date: 2011-12-13 07:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] flash_fan
Wow this is too cool for words lol. If there is one thing I miss about the old DCU it's little tid bits and stories like this. I like most of the new books in the DCNu actually but the universe just feels smaller. I can't really explain.

Date: 2011-12-13 10:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] halloweenjack
The only thing that would have made this better is if it had been issue #63.

Date: 2011-12-14 04:44 am (UTC)
pyrotwilight: (Default)
From: [personal profile] pyrotwilight
Or at least 11!

(Since E-11 +52=Rule63)

Date: 2011-12-14 08:19 am (UTC)
pyrotwilight: (Default)
From: [personal profile] pyrotwilight
Hah. Rule 63 is generally the rule that there will always be a gender swap to a character at some point. IE Guy Gardner becoming a girl and so on. And this issue basically is Rule 63 with all the wive's dressing up as female versions of their male husbands.


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