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Well peeps, as some of you may know, the second trailer along with the prologue will debut tonight at midnight with Sherlock Holmes and Mission Impossible. However, as usual, someone was kind enough to leak it online.

The sound and visual quality isn't great, but at least this gives us an idea of what we're in for. :}

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Description of the trailer in case video goes bye bye: it just me or has Bruce and Selina dancing at a masquerade ball become a cliche now in Bat cinema?

For legality:

Date: 2011-12-15 10:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] espanolbot
Yeah, at least in the Dark Knight the cop at least knew that the Joker was trying to rile him before accidentally getting into a position to allow him to escape.

Date: 2011-12-15 11:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
This. Although why anyone with a brain cell would willingly stay in the same room as the Joker - as opposed to, say, watching him through the glass, is beyond me.

Date: 2011-12-15 11:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] espanolbot
If we use the explanation from the comic that inspired that scene, ie the storyline of Gotham Central where the Joker has planted a bomb in a toy store with the intention of killing as many shopping parents and children as possible resulting in a cop trying to beat the location out of him a they're running out of time, the reason why they took the Joker's handcuffs off was so that he wouldn't break his wrists whilst in custody, as that would go against them in trial.

In the Dark Knight, I think that they did take the Joker's handcuffs prior to Batman beating him up, though I can't remember for certain. Considering the shear amount of people that the Joker killed up to that point in the movie, I think that it's doubtful that they could find a cop who hadn't had at least some friend or coworker murdered by the Joker, which would have lead to a scene where he draws whoever is in the room close enough to use as a hostage anyway.

Date: 2011-12-15 11:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Point taken. I still think you'd have to be braindead to consider going near him, is all, or even be in the same room as him. They've got the mirrored glass in the room, so it just seems needless to leave someone in the cell with Joker when Joker wouldn't necessarily know someone's watching him. It's just a contrived bit of setup to allow the equally ridiculous sequence with the bomb, where EVERYONE but the Joker gets blown up.

Date: 2011-12-15 11:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] espanolbot
To be fair with the bombing scene, he at least expected it so he was ready for it, unlike the rest of the cops who were suprised. Plus he chose the bulkiest guy in the room to act as a shield, which probably helped a little to.

On the more serious side, I think that they had to have someone in the room with him, in case he tried to kill himself, which would have screwed up what Jim, Batman and Dent were doing a lot more directly than what he ended up doing to Harvey.

Date: 2011-12-16 01:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
To be fair with the bombing scene, he at least expected it so he was ready for it, unlike the rest of the cops who were suprised. Plus he chose the bulkiest guy in the room to act as a shield, which probably helped a little to.

It's even stranger in the "making of" footage for TDK. There, it seems the Joker avoided being knocked over by the bomb blast by just leaning forward for a few seconds. The people around the Joker were just stunned by the bomb blast. (Stephens, Keith Szarabajka's character, shows up with a bandage on his neck near the end of the movie.)

Date: 2011-12-16 01:14 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] captainbellman
You never know. The Joker is an intelligent bloke in that film, and would more than likely be aware that someone was watching him. After all, that's what they always do in interrogation rooms in the movies.

Date: 2011-12-15 11:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Yes, curse me for trying to apply logic to a silly scene when the Joker could've easily coordinated, say, a strike team to take out the Station whilst Gordon and a good portion of the force are going to save Dent and Rachel. Or he could've had someone bust him out of the police van whilst he was being transported to a more secure location.

Date: 2011-12-16 01:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] captainbellman
See, that word 'coordinated', that's not a big thing with this Joker. He's an 'agent of chaos', remember? The phone-bomb he used in that sequence wasn't, as I interpret it, an actual long-winded plan that he devised; he simply made sure that at least one of his lackeys had a cell-phone bomb in him on the off-chance that he'd get caught and needed to think of something fast.

That's how I interpret it, anyway. The Joker as a guy who prepares for everything, but doesn't necessarily plan for anything.

Date: 2011-12-16 12:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Except the 'agent of chaos' stuff is just bullshit he tells Harvey to get him in line with what he wants, to make Harvey another fun piece of play with. The guy has plans.

The Joker plans everything to the letter in TDK. He knows his lackeys would get taken back to the Station with him, he knows that Lau is in the Station too. The cellphone bomb had to be planned out - It disorients the cops long enough for him to get to Lau and escape - Doesn't Gordon even suggest he planned it that way?

But the 'agent of chaos' stuff is just nonsense he tells Dent to basically shift blame away from himself - The guy has all sorts of plans. The way he disguises his hostages as his mooks at the film's end? A plan. Putting Harvey in play to get at Gordon? A plan. His idea on getting rid of the mob is his most long-winded plan, and he actually succeeds - the only one he doesn't kill personally is Maroni, and he uses Harvey to do that.


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