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First off, Billy Calls shenanigans on the Avengers and he X-Men.

Doom was behind DisAssembled?

Scott flies inside Giant Doom to distract him while Billy and Wanda work some magic. (Its a VERY touching scene). It appears Scott was smoosed... Cassie is NOT amused.

Fallen Avenger?

Date: 2012-01-05 02:50 am (UTC)
lascoden: Anarky (Default)
From: [personal profile] lascoden
I think Doom was lying about being responsible. Someone on a CBR forum, I think, made a pretty good argument that he lied to help Wanda, plus he was in hell at the time. Also, there's one more issue, so I doubt Stature is really dead.

Date: 2012-01-05 03:00 am (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
Yeah, that's how I read it as well.

Date: 2012-01-05 03:26 pm (UTC)
dewinged: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dewinged
I think Doom's telling the truth. It's a bit of a retcon, but rescues Wanda's character, and hopefully allows M-Day to be undone.

Date: 2012-01-05 03:36 pm (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
it's not what you'd call a satisfying reveal, what with the fact it makes absolutely no sense on any level.

Date: 2012-01-05 03:57 pm (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
let's start with why?

(Little of what Wanda did made sense, either, yeah, also not quite as random).

Date: 2012-01-05 04:27 pm (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
Exactly how does Decimation give Doom more power?

I think Heinberg is too good a writer to try to fix bad storytelling with even worse storytelling.

Yes, I know. Still better than removing what was left of her agency in this case by putting it on Doom.

Date: 2012-01-05 05:04 pm (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
Ah, ok. That would make slightly more sense.

Date: 2012-01-05 11:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] valismedsen
Scans-Daily definitely needs a +1 or like button. I loved the way you put things, shadowpsykie! Agreed wholehearted!

Date: 2012-01-19 02:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] da_reap
I see where you're coming from, I really do...

But really, this is still Voodoo Shark territory. "I manipulated Wanda into destroying the Avengers while I was frying in Hell for MY ridiculous botchery of mischaracterization! BWAH-haha!'

Snidely Whiplash got better plotting than that.

Date: 2012-01-05 06:08 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (Tony is Doom)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
Exactly how does Decimation give Doom more power?

Among the depowered were Magneto, Quicksilver, Professor X, Rictor. All these are among the limited number of people who can challenge and endanger Doom. Doom may also have hoped to depower all mutants; Namor, Emma, Cyclops, Iceman - all powerful enough to be a danger to him.

I don't think it's at all out of character for Doom to try and destroy all challenges to his power, starting by tearing the Avengers apart (individually, they're not huge threats) and then trying to eliminate all mutants. Hell, in Children's Crusade, who went toe to toe with him? Magneto. And then he moves on to attacking Asgardians. You can put together quite a coherent narrative of Doom systematically attacking other powerbases in the MU starting with Disassembled, I think. He invited the Atlanteans to Latveria too, didn't he?

Date: 2012-01-05 06:17 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (Iron Pants)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
It's from Marvel Adventures: Armour Wars, Doom lends Tony an old suit of his armour for reasons you'll have to read the comics to find out. :)

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Date: 2012-01-05 08:06 pm (UTC)
ar_feiniel: (pietro)
From: [personal profile] ar_feiniel
re: Magneto

The third issue did make it a point of noting that Doom and Magneto have had a hostile past; Pietro even accused Magneto of trying to trick the Young Avengers into attacking Latveria so as to take out his "rival" Doom.

I remembered that seeming a little WTF to me at the time. But maybe it was Heiberg's way of "reminding" the audience that Magneto is a major threat to Doom.

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Date: 2012-01-05 03:49 pm (UTC)
dewinged: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dewinged
Agreed, but no less nonsensical than Wanda's sudden breakdown in Avengers: Disassembled coupled with 'There is no Chaos Magic.' Two wrongs to make a right.

Date: 2012-01-05 03:57 pm (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
I never read Disassembled but I'm willing to agree it made no sense either, but no, i don't believe two wrongs make a right. It would be just adding random mess to the previous mess.

Date: 2012-01-05 12:14 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
Yeah, that's definitely what it feels like.

And totally in-character for Doom.

Date: 2012-01-05 09:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
Well, the backstory is that Doom helped Wanda perform the ritual that supercharged her powers, so he obviously wasn't in Hell at that point.

I tend to think Wanda had the right of it in the issue - that Victor was just unbalanced by the combo of his newfound power and factory original megalomania, and was making untrue claims while not thinking clearly. I don't really think he was lying to spare Wanda trouble, this was more along the lines of a sour grapes "I was faking it too!" response to a breakup.

I did like that Wanda pointed out the power would burn Doom out and we saw plenty of evidence of it doing so, and quickly. For all his brilliance and study Doom's not supposed to one of the great natural talents of the mystical world; much more of his actual power is dependent on his armor, robots and other inventions. (Whereas Wanda was altered at birth to safely channel Chthon's power once it could possess her as its host body, so it makes sense she'd be at less risk from overloading than just about anyone else.)

Date: 2012-01-06 02:55 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
Oh, one of my favorite things in this series was how he stripped Wiccan of his powers with little more than mesmerism. It's basically the John Constantine effect - you don't need to be as powerful as the people you fight if you can outsmart them.


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