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So here's the big Bat Family crossover of the year, and it's being orchestrated by Scott Snyder, so it's bound to be awesome judging from his previous and current output. :)

The first backup, in issue eight will give a sense of the terrifying scope of the Court of Owls' attack on Gotham. This really will be the first shot in a war for the soul of Gotham City," said Snyder. "And then, starting in issue nine, we'll begin a three part story called 'The Fall of the House of Wayne' that will investigate the secret history of the Court of Owls and its relationship to the Wayne family – particularly to Thomas and Martha Wayne, Bruce's parents. The story will be told from the point of view of Jarvis Pennyworth, Alfred's father, and offer some big surprises and shocks about the forces that shaped the bat-mythology as we know it. Can't wait for you all to see these stories!

"I'm also excited to be co-writing with my friend, James Tynion IV, a young writer I'm extremely excited about. Especially in the spirit of the New 52, it's a real thrill to get to give someone new and talented a chance to get his foot in the door, and James is a writer to watch and expect great things from!"

"And of course, I'm over the moon about getting to work with my good friend and AMERICAN VAMPIRE co-creator Rafael Albuquerque on the some of the very first ones!"

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Covers for the story which are also very pretty,

It being a crossover that involves the Bat Family that involves Scott Snyder, I'm going to add my standard hope that Cass or Steph will make an appearance, though I'm getting a feeling that they've been put into a crowd of "Not to be used" characters at the moment, like the non-Darkseid New Gods. Still, here's me being hopeful. :)

Date: 2012-01-10 02:10 am (UTC)
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The current crop of writers didn't grow up with them and aren't their pet characters.

Ergo, they've been deemed useless.

Date: 2012-01-10 02:29 am (UTC)
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Cass has been constantly been getting scuffled back into the deck since OYL. There are writers who like her yes, but IMO it's clear that the top boys don't care for her at all.

Date: 2012-01-10 01:04 pm (UTC)
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The trouble is that as soon as Cass is shown being as badass as she normally is, the question immediately come up "Why should I care about Babs Gordon having a second stab at being Batgirl (A character who was, if truth be told, never as popular or interesting back in the 70's/80's as the PTB would have you believe) when I could be reading the adventures of THIS girl? Oh wait, she doesn't have her own title because...?"

Date: 2012-01-10 03:46 pm (UTC)
runespoor: in the background, dick doing a stand-up while in the foreground Babs faces the reader, frowning, eyes narrowed. (babs/dick otpotpotp)
From: [personal profile] runespoor
...hopefully the answer would be, "because Babs [should] bring other things to the table, she's badass in a different way from Cass". Much like Steph was badass in a different way from Cass. Because they're different characters. Like Dick and Tim.

I don't understand the question.

Date: 2012-01-10 04:18 pm (UTC)
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I'd say Babs in her Oracle years was badass in a different way, but her Batgirl adventures were never that badass.

And does she REALLY bring people to the table? (Genuine question) Do people have that much affection for Barbara Gordon from her one season in the 60's series, or BTAS or The Batman (or even... that movie) to pick up a comic based on her as a character? It's a question I've wondered since the announcement of her coming back to the role, especially in a world where she can't be Batwoman (Which would be a logical progression for her if she can't be Oracle anymore)

Date: 2012-01-10 04:26 pm (UTC)
runespoor: in the background, dick doing a stand-up while in the foreground Babs faces the reader, frowning, eyes narrowed. (babs/dick otpotpotp)
From: [personal profile] runespoor
but her Batgirl adventures were never that badass.
I never read them, but there was a different scale to judge badassery on than today's, right? So it's not really fair to compare Cass and Babs on the current scale. (Besides, Barbara Gordon at the time seems quite badass to me.)

To your genuine question, I'm afraid I only have sarcastic answers about retro appeal. But she's certainly a different Batgirl from Cass'; I think as she's written, she's actually closer to Steph than to her former self or Cass (judging only what I can see of the scans posted it through my blinding fury, so I may be completely off the mark).

If they really had to bring back pre-Crisis continuity, they'd have been better inspired to bring back Congresswoman Barbara Gordon.

Date: 2012-01-10 05:29 pm (UTC)
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From the numbers on her comic, it seems that she does bring people to the table, as far as I can tell. I can't quite relate to it, myself, but it seems to be so.

Date: 2012-01-11 08:39 am (UTC)
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Yea, iirc there's been several writers who've basically said "I'd like to use her, but the higher-ups say there are other plans," which never materialized.

Date: 2012-01-11 11:38 am (UTC)
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At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if they waited until Leviathan to deal with both Steph and Cass, really. The Batman Inc concept's visibly still around post-Flashpoint, so they might be waiting to see what Morrison does, which is kind of ridiculous, but the superstar writer gets the pick of the toys, I guess.


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