chocochuy: An Unliving Legend (Gentleman Ghost)
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Greetings, Ladies and Gentlemen! Chocochuy reporting for duty and bringing you some news from the global community.

As you might recall, yesterday was the peaceful blackout of pages like Wikipedia, Google, Mozilla and our very own Dreamwidth in order to protest against the SOPA bill. Well, just some hours ago Megaupload was shut down by the FBI, thus causing the arrest of its inner circle and the loss of countless Terabytes of both illegal and safe files. Retribution from hackers all over the globe was not denied and hours later the group that calls itself Anonymous hacked several government sites as well as asking all cybernauts to join their revolution against the rich 1%. It might be kinda exaggerated to say this but I am certain that were witnessing the genesis of the First World Internet War. In my honest opinion I think the loss of Megaupload may be a heavy loss for most cybernauts and it may also herald the beginning of some authoritarian movements if the FBI can go shutting down websites when the SOPA has not been approved yet. What we are really seeing is a struggle between two powerful forces, none of them wanting to give up, that will change the way we use the internet from now on if a peaceful solution is not found.

I will be glad to hear your opinions in this matter, comrades, especially if this SOPA bill goes out of control and tries targeting our beloved fanfics/fanarts.

Here is an old Captain America picture done by Frank Miller. It may be over-used but it seems quite fitting.

Date: 2012-01-20 03:44 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
I'm pretty sure there are laws out there besides SOPA, which is actually looking less and less likely to pass from what I hear, which would allow the FBI to shut them down.

Date: 2012-01-20 12:35 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Isn't SOPA already dead thanks to Obama? I thought the next big one was PIPA or something along those lines?

Date: 2012-01-20 01:20 pm (UTC)
the_phantom: (Default)
From: [personal profile] the_phantom
Obama is largely irrelevant at this stage. What he thinks is not going to influence the Democrats who support it--Wasserman-Schultz isn't going to change her co-sponsorship with Lamar Smith just because Obama objects. She's a CA politician she's looking after the Hollywood interests.

Date: 2012-01-20 01:28 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Again, he's already vetoed SOPA, hasn't he? I thought the big one was PIPA, now.

Date: 2012-01-20 02:49 pm (UTC)
nezchan: Navis at breakfast (Default)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
I think veto would come at a later stage in the process, towards the end. I gather he said he probably would veto it, but it hasn't gotten that far yet.

Date: 2012-01-20 03:08 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Apparently he'd veto it if it reaches his desk. To get there, it'd pretty much have to pass through both houses anyway, which I don't think it will, somehow, given it seems fairly controversial.

I personally hope it's dead in the water anyway, and that PIPA goes the same way, because if either passed, other countries - especially places like the UK, would pretty much enforce it too.

Date: 2012-01-20 03:10 pm (UTC)
nezchan: Navis at breakfast (Default)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
Yeah, that's why Canadians like me and folks around the world are concerned about this. Whatever else the US is, it's a pretty big influence on international copyright and what they do will affect the rest of us, regardless of our own feelings on the matter.

Date: 2012-01-20 01:52 pm (UTC)
aeka: (Huntress [computer]:)
From: [personal profile] aeka
The way I heard it, SOPA got pushed back to next month by the House of Representatives and the Senate plans to vote on PIPA on the 24 of this month. Obama won't get either bill until the Senate has voted on them and placed them on his desk. At best, the boys at the White House has stated they will not support a bill that limits freedom of expression and increases cybersecurity risk.

Date: 2012-01-21 10:34 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
Not thanks to Obama, thanks to the protest. The protest caused it to go off the calendar in the House as sponsor after sponsor disowned it and Harry Reid has delayed PIPA in teh Senate. So it is basically dead. It hadn't much of a defense prepared because they assumed it would skate through and the news media--most of whose parent corporations support it--had deliberately been quiet about it. They really didn't see the protest coming.

Date: 2012-01-20 03:51 am (UTC)
freezer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] freezer
For all the wailing and gnashing of teeth... I'm just not feeling it.

I mean, I heard much the same outrage when the original Napster got shitcanned.

And The Pirate Bay.

And Grokster.

And Morpheus.

And (going way back) Audiogalaxy and The International Lyrics Server.

Of course, this is speaking as someone who's used MegaUpload maybe a dozen times in the last five years.

Life, and file sharing, will go on. and this wasn't the first salvo in an all-out war on file sharing (see above).

Date: 2012-01-20 05:17 pm (UTC)
v_various: (Default)
From: [personal profile] v_various
I remember back in the early 90's we got our pirated games from a friend with a dusty box full of disorganized unlabeled hard discs.

Kind of wonderful how fast things are changing.

Date: 2012-01-20 04:04 am (UTC)
introverted_excavator: Setsuna Meioh/Sailor Pluto from the Sailor Moon manga (Setsuna)
From: [personal profile] introverted_excavator
Something tells me things are about to get really nasty in the next couple of days/weeks and not in a particularly good way for either sides.

Date: 2012-01-20 04:21 am (UTC)
elf: Computer chip with location dot (You Are Here)
From: [personal profile] elf
The loss of Megaupload (if it's "lost," rather than "temporarily blocked") won't be a big deal in the larger scheme of "anti-piracy" actions. Mediafire, Rapidshare, 4shared, Gigasize... there are dozens of other sites with similar features. "Store/share big files online" isn't going to get harder with Megaupload gone.

However, if anyonymous stays focused on gov't sites for a while, that'll really throw a wrench in things, because if twelve hours of server-tweaking doesn't fix things on their, they'll start looking for people to arrest. (Not that they won't be looking for people to arrest already, but it's a back-burner project now. If the FBI's website is down for a week, they'll start demanding arrest warrants for everyone who tweets the word #anonymous.)

I'd like to believe my gov't is not stupid enough to break the world wide web. I can't quite get there. I'm not, however, worried about the future of the internet, which existed before the www prefix. I'm rather delighted that all the attention is focused on the big fileshare sites, as if none of the previous methods existed.

Saw my first pro-SOPA/PIPA tv ad today. So *weird.* Fascinating how it didn't mention at all what kind of measures would be taken to end all this "foreign theft" that's destroying American businesses. Also interesting that they never mention that the actions that are so "destructive" may be entirely legal for the people who're doing them.

I suspect that if SOPA/PIPA get enacted (which I doubt, at this point) and start going after sites, fanfic/fanart are far, far down on the list of targets. They want to kill YouTube and ThePirateBay. Time to haul out the Cute Cat Theory of the Internet, and remind politicians that threatening obscure geeky hacker sites will go over just fine with most voters, but threatening the lolcats will get them thrown out of office.

Date: 2012-01-20 06:28 am (UTC)
glimmung: (Default)
From: [personal profile] glimmung
SOPA is phenomenally stupid. Solves nothing and causes untold damage to a vibrant part of the US economy.

Date: 2012-01-21 10:36 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
Its purpose is broader than anti-piracy. Its purpose is to tilt the playing field back to the major corporations and instill fear into everybody else. The much-remarked-on fact that it would basically cripple the internet as we know it is in fact the goal. That's why its language is so vague.


Date: 2012-01-21 10:37 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
And it's only "stupid," remember, if you assume the outcome of it is not what they want. It is.

Date: 2012-01-20 04:22 am (UTC)
arysteia: (Default)
From: [personal profile] arysteia
My first reaction: a colossal spit-take all over my keyboard at the fact the big names were arrested here in NZ. And then I was embarrassed that our jackass right-wing government are so keen to ingratiate themselves with power players (see our anti-torrenting legislation for example).

In fairness though, I've downloaded many hundreds of files from MU, and every single one of them infringed copyright, so it's hard to muster *righteous* indignation. That said, I *did* assume the site owners/admins maintained better plausible deniability. I'm a bit surprised by how blase they appear to have been.

Date: 2012-01-20 05:36 am (UTC)
rainspirit: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rainspirit
Your country has a bad case of the right wing asshole government, too? :( And I thought Canada was having it bad. Bleh.

Date: 2012-01-20 04:58 am (UTC)
glimmung: (Default)
From: [personal profile] glimmung
I have next to no pity for the Megaupload folks.

Date: 2012-01-21 10:40 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
I remember at a recent day job, a much younger co-worker scoffed at me for keeping my files--including my music files(which are largely backups of my CD collection as I gradually sell it off) and my own art files--on external drives. "I just put all that shit on Megaupload," he said. "I'll never lose it like you will if your drives go down." Ignoring I also back THAT up to DVDs.

Well, who's laughing now, dude? ;)

If I'd taken his advice my whole career as an artist would be gone now.

Date: 2012-01-21 06:11 pm (UTC)
schmevil: (Default)
From: [personal profile] schmevil
Kids these days really don't understand the value of backups. *swings cane*

Date: 2012-01-20 05:45 am (UTC)
halloweenjack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] halloweenjack
Shut down one server, and two will rise to take its place. Hail Hydra!

(Seriously, "cybernaut"? Dude.)

Date: 2012-01-20 04:15 pm (UTC)
salinea: fem!Loki is snerking (lol)
From: [personal profile] salinea
By the way, cybernaut is a valid word. I know it is not used as much as one believes but it does imply those who surf the cyberspace.
This sentence is so wonderfully 90's I wanna get mirror shades, a trench coat and a katana and start rocking.

Date: 2012-01-20 04:49 pm (UTC)
salinea: (satisfied)
From: [personal profile] salinea

Date: 2012-01-20 05:13 pm (UTC)
joasakura: (Default)
From: [personal profile] joasakura
Wait, wait.. I have to go get my goggles and then we can go..

Date: 2012-01-20 05:02 pm (UTC)
darkblade: (Default)
From: [personal profile] darkblade
Mediafire which refuses to work half the time instead reloading the page and forcing you to wait an extra half hour and Rapidshare which I'm legitimately surprised didn't go down first. They were the go to place for 4chan users for a while and they barely try to hide that they don't give a shit as to what files are uploaded.

Date: 2012-01-20 08:15 pm (UTC)
halloweenjack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] halloweenjack
It's perfectly cromulent!

Date: 2012-01-20 05:55 am (UTC)
weber_dubois22: (Alabama)
From: [personal profile] weber_dubois22
From I've read, this looks like a kid acting out against the protest being made against a bad idea. They went after the first sharing website they could think of, looks like. I really shudder to think next what'll happen. I hope this bill doesn't get passed.

Date: 2012-01-20 06:24 am (UTC)
glimmung: (Default)
From: [personal profile] glimmung
This has been in the works for months. A large multinational bust takes a long time to set up.

Date: 2012-01-20 08:15 am (UTC)
weber_dubois22: (Baseball)
From: [personal profile] weber_dubois22
Really? I didn't know that.
*is educated*

Date: 2012-01-20 06:16 am (UTC)
twomasks: (Fraggle)
From: [personal profile] twomasks
What bothers me is that Swizz Beats (sp, the founder and board member) and an industry insider wasn't arrested or even implicated. Talk about favors being thrown around...

Date: 2012-01-20 06:35 am (UTC)
big_daddy_d: (Default)
From: [personal profile] big_daddy_d
If the FBI already has the power to shut down sites, then..what is the point in SOPA?

Date: 2012-01-20 07:49 am (UTC)
wyatt1048: (Default)
From: [personal profile] wyatt1048
A very good point, that probably won't be mentioned in any coverage.

Date: 2012-01-20 08:06 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
The BBC already did this morning.

Date: 2012-01-20 01:41 pm (UTC)
majingojira: (Bagan)
From: [personal profile] majingojira
Proving once again the superiority of the BBC News Cycle.

Date: 2012-01-20 07:28 pm (UTC)
wyatt1048: (Default)
From: [personal profile] wyatt1048
Yeah, I was surprised to see that!

Date: 2012-01-20 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
changes the penalties, makes more stuff illegal, things like that. Just because they're making a new law against things doesn't mean there were no laws beforehand.

Date: 2012-01-20 12:41 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
SOPA would've been controlled by the media industry and was actively backed by a variety of big media corporations. SOPA is more of a supposed anti-piracy measure, but being controlled by the media industry - not the government, they would have the power to shut down any website they feel is in legal violation of intellectual properties and copyrights and whatnot. Not only could they target websites, but people too; The new legislation would've allowed them to give people who downloaded around ten songs via streaming around five years in prison, apparently.

It is, of course, targeting completely the wrong people with that approach, because the people who say, download maybe one song through illicit means are hardly on the same level as people who actively profit from pirating DVD's on a massive scale.

Date: 2012-01-20 03:31 pm (UTC)
elf: Computer chip with location dot (You Are Here)
From: [personal profile] elf
The FBI needs evidence of a crime, and intent to prosecute. SOPA allows sites to be shut down based on evidence that they could be used to infringe copyright.

Like, if they have a comment feature.

Date: 2012-01-21 10:41 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
To tilt the web back to corporations and terrify everyone else.

Date: 2012-01-20 06:53 am (UTC)
arise: (haruhi suzumiya ♥ cool edition)
From: [personal profile] arise
I'm against SOPA/PIPA as much as anyone, but I'm not really feeling the outrage. I'll miss MU for file uploading, but there are plenty of other options out there.

I'm surprised that the arrested are facing prison, though. I'd always assumed these sorts of things just attracted insanely heavy fines and civil measures.

Personally, I'm more alarmed by the whole Anonymous hijacking people's computers for a DDOS attack thing.

Date: 2012-01-20 11:06 am (UTC)
baihu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] baihu
Mediafire was so much more convenient than MU. It was already a troublesome thing having to wait for the Free download speeds, but then it just kept putting more ads and Megavideos on their website when I just wanted to download one file.

Heck I saw more and more files that I wanted to download being put on other file-uploading sites. Megaupload may have been one of the originals, but it was no longer the 'go-to' website if you wanted to upload files. It got bigger than that until I had no idea what Megaupload was really for anymore to be honest.

Date: 2012-01-20 02:35 pm (UTC)
greenmask: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greenmask
I think a fair amount of the outrage is coming from the fact that megaupload was used for a lot of legit filesharing as well as/more importantly than copyright infringement, as well as how easily a lot of piracy could be curbed if media was made more easily accessible. Taking away how people get their hands on stuff instead of plumbing in official methods of getting stuff to its audience is baffling to a lot of people.

Like, if you shut down filesharing sites because people pirate from big companies with them, which sites do freelance creators use to get their own large files to their audience?

Date: 2012-01-20 03:05 pm (UTC)
arise: (digital devil saga ♥ point blank)
From: [personal profile] arise
Oh, yeah, it's definitely really annoying for all the legitimate users! Especially if the data isn't being stored. And I completely agree about making media more accessible - it seems like some companies are moving towards it, and it can't happen soon enough. I guess I'm just not sure what else the FBI could've done other than take MU offline at this point in their investigation.

Date: 2012-01-20 03:11 pm (UTC)
greenmask: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greenmask
There's probably (or, I'm assuming it's reasonable to assume that there was) no other path they could have taken. BUT, that doesn't mean that there's no reason for a backlash or further protests. So the current laws and rules mean that the FBI was obliged to shut down this site and arrest people. So, maybe there need to be some newer, expert-designed, up-to-date rules and protocols - and everyone affected by the take-down yelling about how the current situation sucks is probably going to help with getting that done, right?


Date: 2012-01-20 11:02 pm (UTC)
ziriffic: (pondering something)
From: [personal profile] ziriffic
From what I heard, the arrested were less facing prison for pirating charges and more for money laundering and other more legitimate charges; otherwise, them facing 55 or so years in prison would be ridiculous.

tl;dr, MU being shut down is legitimate, their owners getting arrested is also legitimate, the timing of this bust was probably not a coincidence and probably was done on purpose to time with the online protests. :x

Date: 2012-01-20 07:48 am (UTC)
wyatt1048: (Default)
From: [personal profile] wyatt1048
I can't help but think tan Anonymous reaction is exactly what the law enforcement wants. Now that pirates are attacking the government, it lends weight to the argument that they need the SOPA/PIPA to keep them under control. I can't help but see this as a measured, carefully planned attack to justify draconian regulations (even though it shows that laws to police the internet are already in place. And that the whole world must obey US law, even if you never plan on going to America.)

Date: 2012-01-20 09:36 pm (UTC)
terabient: Super-deformed Noel is shocked (Blazblue: Noel - OH NO)
From: [personal profile] terabient
I don't think it was planned in the sense that government people knew Anonymous would react in the way they did, but I do agree that SOPA/PIPA backers will use the takedowns to support their claims. :(

Date: 2012-01-20 08:19 am (UTC)
lilacsigil: 12 Apostles rocks, text "Rock On" (12 Apostles)
From: [personal profile] lilacsigil
I think this is the US government trying to kill net neutrality - Megaupload was always prompt in removing copyrighted content on request, as it was required to do. It's too hard to go after the millions of people sharing a few files at a time, so they're going after the content hosts. Google seems aware of this, at least, and they've got deep pockets to match the MPAA companies (which is what US lawmaking really comes down to).

Date: 2012-01-20 11:01 am (UTC)
eyz: (Default)
From: [personal profile] eyz
Oh, come on!
I'll have to keep my work files on some other file sharing place then.
(we've had lots of documents to share in the company here, so someone suggested megaupload, to avoid using our internal network and slowing everyone down)

Date: 2012-01-20 11:07 am (UTC)
baihu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] baihu
Uh, you really could only think of using Megaupload? Doesn't Google docs provide upload space and more security? Or something like Carbonite which is a back-up program.

Date: 2012-01-20 01:08 pm (UTC)
eyz: (Default)
From: [personal profile] eyz
'wasn't on my hands, not my choice. As far as a graphic designer (who really does way too much admin' stuff if you ask me) can decided, the higher ups decide.
They probably thought it was "cool" or something...

"Carbonite " <- never heard of that one
"Google docs " <- I guess I'll have to go with this one now :P

We needed something simple that people using their own private laptops or not knowing anything about computers could use.
(and it didn't need any login or anything, just a link sent by email, *click download*, wait and that was it~)

Date: 2012-01-21 09:38 am (UTC)
baihu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] baihu
I would definitely recommend Google docs (I've used Carbonite but methinks it slowed down my com, wouldn't recommend it). It's a simple interface, and has great connectivity if your colleagues use Gmail.

Date: 2012-01-21 10:43 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
I'd also recommend external hard drives and burning stuff to DVDs. Never have only one backup and NEVER trust the Cloud.

Date: 2012-01-21 06:20 pm (UTC)
schmevil: (Default)
From: [personal profile] schmevil
This. I keep all my school and work stuff on gdocs, but back them up on my external as well. I've had too many server down and accidental deletion mishaps over the years. OMG the year my senior thesis was only stored on gdocs and I couldn't access it. D:

Date: 2012-01-23 08:32 am (UTC)
eyz: (Default)
From: [personal profile] eyz
Well, they barely understand how to start up their computers, but I digress... :P

Date: 2012-01-20 11:55 am (UTC)
drmcninja: (Default)
From: [personal profile] drmcninja
I honestly don't see how so many people are getting angry over this. Sure, yeah, most of the traffic may have been legitimate, but that doesn't matter. If I worked hard, 9 to 5, five days a week, selling stuff out of my house legally, but still let people sell dope out of my house, it doesn't matter that most of my income was legitimate. I was sanctioning, and in all likelihood knowingly, illegal activity, and did nothing to stop it. It does;t matter that most was legitimate. Then swizz is in no danger because he's a wealthy celebrity, and there are so many other options out there. I just don't see the problem.

Date: 2012-01-20 03:09 pm (UTC)
nomadicwriter: [Doctor Doom] Victor Von Crankypants (headache)
From: [personal profile] nomadicwriter
Yeah. From skimming the indictment, there were charges of racketeering and money laundering in addition to copyright infringement, the owners have been caught personally telling people how to locate pirated movies on their site and searching their own database for pirated stuff, they weren't complying with the notice and takedown law, and when companies reported copyright content they only removed the specific reported URL but kept the files on their systems. (Oh, and if you skip to the list of property in the back, the owners bought themselves personalised licence plates including "GUILTY", "HACKER", and "MAFIA". Smart!)

So this is not "some users uploaded copyright stuff on a file storage site", this is "the owners knew about it, encouraged it, did it themselves, made enormous amounts of money off it, bragged about it, and lied about removing the content when asked". ...I can't really summon a lot of outrage.

Date: 2012-01-22 04:56 am (UTC)
timgueugen: (Default)
From: [personal profile] timgueugen
Gizmodo had a post on this and came to the same conclusion, that these guys pretty much painted a giant "Kick Me!" sign on themselves.

Date: 2012-01-20 02:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
There's a difference between "fair use" and "abuse". Megaupload profited more from the latter than they former. Conflating their demise with an attack on fanfic/fanart is a bit of a stretch IMO.

Date: 2012-01-20 06:14 pm (UTC)
turtlefu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] turtlefu
As someone who has used MegaUpload legitimately (I used it to store a large quantity of photos I took and send them to relatives overseas), it bothers me that they felt MegaUpload was a valid enough threat to get destroyed.
And I'm extremely against SOPA/PIPA.
But this is just ABSOLUTELY over dramatic. "First Internet World War"? Anonymous sounds like a child who has no idea how governments, yet alone the rest of the world, even works
And you do NOT hack governments websites and servers! That is NOT Protest. The occupy movement is a protest! Hacking government websites causes real, tangible problems and threats to not only security but also people's jobs!

Date: 2012-01-20 06:39 pm (UTC)
darkblade: (Default)
From: [personal profile] darkblade
While the legality and morality of taking down Megaupload can be debated what Anonymous is doing is taking things too damn far.

Particularly with using a website claiming to be a Megaupload backup to force would be supporters to launch DDoS attacks themselves through malware.

See more on this here:

Date: 2012-01-20 07:26 pm (UTC)
cyberghostface: (Right One 2)
From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
I remember reading "If SOPA passes, you can get five years for downloading a Michael Jackson song--one more than the doctor who killed him."

Date: 2012-01-20 09:20 pm (UTC)
sun_man: this is Dick Grayson (Default)
From: [personal profile] sun_man
the war has begun pick your sides

Date: 2012-01-20 09:56 pm (UTC)
cainofdreaming: b/w (Default)
From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
I'm with Forbush Man!

Ah well, if any variation of this goes through us in the rest of the world just have to cough up the cash for our own root servers. Costly, but it's an investment that pays itself back.

Just wish that our politics sphere wasn't equally big a snakepit as US of A's. They'd probably bend over backwards for a chance to get in on this.

Date: 2012-01-20 10:29 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Calm down, it had nothing to do With SOPA. Megaupload was underivestigation for 2 years now.

Check the facts

Date: 2012-01-20 11:54 pm (UTC)
silverzeo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverzeo
I used MegaUpload to help find subs for an French Anime called Wakfu and other obscure shows... now I have rely on torrents that need compressers and what nots...

Date: 2012-01-22 07:18 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
I'd love to feel bad for the founder, but I mean, just read this account of how the arrest went down.

This guy was also an inside trader and embezzler. But I mean, he acted here like he was some tinhorn Tony Montana, and lived on a lavish estate. I have little pity for him.

I'm just glad I never, ever trust the Cloud.


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