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Flint Marko ([personal profile] flint_marko) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily2012-02-08 06:42 pm

Deathstroke #6

It was mentioned before that Deathstroke's history with the Titans was wiped out by Flashpoint.

Here's how the story of his son Grant Wilson went down in the new continuity.
In the past...

Slade and Addie pushing Grant into becoming the Ravager is a huge change from the original storyline, where Slade tried keeping his mercenary life hidden from the rest of his family. 

There's no mention of Joey (Jericho), but that doesn't mean he isn't there.

Deathstroke sees a huge explosion and it's assumed Grant is dead.

But in the present it's revealed that Grant is alive and well, and is working with the parents of one of the young mercenaries Deathstroke killed in #1, who want revenge for their daughter's death.

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[personal profile] icon_uk 2012-02-09 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
Gosh, is there a cliché they missed anywhere?

And Adeline is now an active participant? ICK!

[identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com 2012-02-09 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
Well, they haven't missed and eliminated anything that makes Slade interesting and/or sympathetic, no.

That's what you meant to ask, right?
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[personal profile] icon_uk 2012-02-09 01:16 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry, I'm not quite sure which negative(s) cancelled out which in that reply (But it's late here and I'm sleepy so I may have missed something)

[personal profile] jlbarnett 2012-02-09 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
So Midnighter killed him(or at least tried to). Good for him.

But no Deathstroke/Titans history? Really, then how did Deathstroke lose his reputation?

And getting rid of the Titans really screws up Nightwing's history.

[identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com 2012-02-09 01:05 am (UTC)(link)
Christ, Deathstroke's comic in the 90s wasn't as...90s as this series
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[personal profile] ruhig_knight 2012-02-09 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
There's no mention of Joey (Jericho), but that doesn't mean he isn't there.

I wouldn’t put it past DC to erase him. Hell, I’ve been dreading it since this damn reboot was announced with the “some characters will no longer exist” crap. However I originally guessed Slade’s only kid would be Rose; now it seems Slade has his distaff counterpart daughter and probably just his mini-him son to cry about. I can see DC thinking it’s probably un-badass their favorite mercenary and fanboy crush had a very un-manly, (almost canonly gay but not so he wouldn’t fuel the sensitive gay artist stereotype) son. That and it would be too much work for (supposedly) professional artists to google the most basic ASL signs; goodness knows most of those poor men have enough trouble remembering how women’s spines and breasts work.*

For the past few years, Joey’s been one of those characters DC didn’t care about until they wanted someone to screw over. Case in point, the Deathtrap storyline and all those connected to it, how Joey was basically ignored by his closest friends when he wasn’t being an active threat to them (seriously did anyone mention looking for him post-BN?) or a plot-device for Slade to prove what a good father he is despite being a city-bombing, statutory rapist. Hell, some of his supposed closest friends weren’t that sympathetic to his last “CRAZY” predicament, including Raven who was his closest of friends/sorta love interest and had a hand in Joey’s first turn to evil/resurrection. Basically, he’s the Titans’ white, effeminate male Cass Cain but not as popular and obviously with different unfortunate implications.

If he truly is gone it’s a crying shame. On one hand I probably should be grateful since DC will no longer continue to screw with his character and do something with him just as horrible as they did with Starfire. Yet, it’s a damn cruel thing to do to him after all the crap DC put the character through. Also, DC practically owes him a freaking reboot after the said crap they put him through. ALSO, this would make yet another differently –abled hero DC has removed from their “diverse,” new 52 along with Oracle, Dr. Mid-Nite (Yes there will probably be one on Earth 2 but s/he won’t be part of DC’s new main universe that they have been pitching as “diverse”) and quite very possibly Oracle-in-training Proxy. And when will he even appear in anything DC comics-related again? DC also eliminates not only another aspect of Deathstroke’s character but also of the entire Wilson family. My hopes for seeing actual Joey and Rose sibling bonding and Joey and Addie’s close mother/son relationship are dwindling even more now.

So yeah… Jericho’s one of my favorite characters even with his hilariously ridiculous 80’s costume and muttonchops. Seeing how he was treated by DC for the past couple years has been really, really frustrating that him no longer existing is not that big of a surprise. I’m going to wait on what the Nu Wilson’s family status is a bit longer. If he is around, hopefully he’ll be written somewhat decently. If not… well, I’ll be saving money.

It appears Wintergreen’s gone, too. AND THIS ADDIE’S OKAY WITH THE ASSASSIN LIFE?!? *groans.* I also called Grant being alive and trying to kill Slade when the solicit for this issue came out…so not much shock there. Really, what was the point of eliminating Deathstroke’s Titans ties besides to screw with fans? EUGH I need to get some sleep...

*To be clear the last line was sarcastic.

[personal profile] capnduckman 2012-02-09 06:22 am (UTC)(link)
I just want to take a moment to also yell about what they did to Joey. For fucks sake! They turn him evil, then really evil, then bring him back, then he gets stuck inside the head of a decaying super man clone... AND JUST VANISHES.

I always loved Joey, back in the day when I first started reading Titans, during the Terra arc...
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[personal profile] icon_uk 2012-02-09 08:12 am (UTC)(link)
I can see DC thinking it’s probably un-badass their favorite mercenary and fanboy crush had a very un-manly, (almost canonly gay but not so he wouldn’t fuel the sensitive gay artist stereotype) son.

When was Joey "almost canonically gay"? He was so serially heterosexual it was almost a joke, and as for unmanly, he was probably the second best hand-to-hand fighter the Titans had.
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[personal profile] magus_69 2012-02-09 10:06 am (UTC)(link)
Wolfman and Perez considered the idea when they were making him, but they decided against it because they thought it would be too stereotypical. That is probably also why they made him so very gynophilic.
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[personal profile] gerardotejada 2012-02-09 01:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I love Jericho and always liked that he was straigth. In school if you were "artistic" people would either call you gay to mock you or they support you to "get out of the closet". Joey however never was a player like Roy. The whole Raven/Joey romance was one of the thing that wolfman could never close, I always thought Joey was just compensating her frustration to land on the friend zone with Raven.

People still find outrageous for Jericho to be straight, but they always would have fanfics to confort them
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[personal profile] icon_uk 2012-02-09 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Joey however never was a player like Roy

You're kidding, right? Roy always talked a good game, but never had anything like a steady date until Donna.

Joey was very much a player, women flocked around him, and he had many, many happy relationships with many of them.

Unless player has another meaning I'm too old to be familiar with?

[personal profile] jlbarnett 2012-02-10 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
the definition of player I'm familiar with is someone with a lot of dates, but not steady relationships
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[personal profile] icon_uk 2012-02-10 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, thanks. Joey seemed to have a lot of quite possibly simultaneous relationships, judging by the likes of the "Games" graphic novel, and a few scenes in the original comics.
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[personal profile] ruhig_knight 2012-02-09 01:55 pm (UTC)(link)
and as for unmanly, he was probably the second best hand-to-hand fighter the Titans had.

Oh believe me, I know that. He was trained by the same woman who trained his father (which is another thing DC's been ignoring about the Wilson family for quite awhile). When I meant "unmanly" I was referring to Joey not fitting traditional masculine traits, or being the sensitive artist type, which DC could've not taken very seriously and/or see it as something to be ridiculed. I've already seen parts of fandom call Joey things like "wimp" or "pansy" despite him being a capable fighter and a hero.

And Magus_69 pointed out what I meant by almost being gay in canon. Sorry for the confusion there.

[personal profile] jlbarnett 2012-02-10 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
I thought the only reason Jericho was unable to speak was because his throat was cut. Remove the throat cut, and he doesn't need to learn ASL, so it doesn't matter if the artist don't know ASL
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[personal profile] ruhig_knight 2012-02-10 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
... Yes but being mute is/was a HUGE part of Jericho's character. One of the biggest disappointments DC's done with Jericho besides make him evil so many times was having him talk again. It also isn't hard for an artist to find references for ASL on the internet or even invest in an illustrated ASL book. Or they can also cut corners and use narration boxes for Joey. Also, if Joey isn't mute from having his throat cut like in the old DCU they can easily give another reason why just likehowv they changed how his brother "died."
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[personal profile] nefrekeptah 2012-02-10 03:45 am (UTC)(link)
Thing about having a mute character is that you kinda have to cheat with caption boxes. That's why most mute characters in comics (the few there are, anyway) are usually telepathic or have some other form of communicating, because trying to put ASL on the comic page is, to put it bluntly, hideously impractical. Conversations that would normally take maybe half a page would instead take half an issue, as you'd need a different panel for each sign, not to mention that most people don't know sign language, so you'd have to have captions in anyway.

Marv Wolfman was slightly avaunt guard in that his captions for Joey were always in the third person instead of first person. We saw next to nothing in the way of actual signing; it was always either one of the Titans or a caption box telling us what he was saying to the others instead of showing it.
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[personal profile] ruhig_knight 2012-02-10 01:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I am aware how difficult a full ASL conversation in comics can be. In Jericho's case I was thinking of him being written in a way similar to Wolfman's: basic ASL and captions, though today maybe more emphasis on the narration boxes for convenience's sake. It just also would've been nice to see artists take the time to research ASL and incorporate at least a little for comic readers who do rely on it and so on.

What they could also do with Joey in a more modernized way is have him communicate via texting ala Celty from Durarara!! or hell, use old fashioned paper and pencil. Some kind of communication system that stands out but works in the comic format.
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[personal profile] magus_69 2012-02-09 10:07 am (UTC)(link)
Does the comic explain why Slade didn't move Heaven and Earth to discover who "killed" his son, or why he and Midnighter are both still alive and intact?
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[personal profile] espanolbot 2012-02-09 10:49 am (UTC)(link)
Slade vs. the Midnighter? That'd be interesting to see.
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[personal profile] viridian5 2012-02-10 06:19 am (UTC)(link)
I enjoyed Adeline and original flavor Joey, but we're just not allowed to have nice things in the new DC universe, are we?
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[personal profile] eyz 2012-02-17 09:10 am (UTC)(link)
Next time,
how to continue this plot with less background, no proportions whatsoever with giant guns and loads of pouches everywhere in.... "ROB LIEFELD's EXTREEEEEME Deathstroke".
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[personal profile] coldfiredragon 2012-02-17 06:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Naw, Higgins still has 2 more issues left before Liefeld gets his hands on the book.