Date: 2012-03-28 07:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] atom_punk
According to Wikipedia, the incident wherein Scarlet Witch depowered a ton of mutants (except the most well known/marketable ones of course) began when some kind of entity began messing around with her head.

Already upset at the loss of her children, Scarlet Witch started to become more and more unstable. When the Avengers saw the damage she could do, they considered killing her.

Quicksilver tried to prevent this by convincing his sister to use her powers to create a world where everyone's desires are fulfilled including Magneto's dreams of a mutant dominated world (House of M). When the heroes discovered reality had been altered, they confronted Magneto who realized he too was being manipulated, leading him to kill his son Quicksilver, pushing Scarlet Witch even more over the edge, and in an attempt to get back at her father she stripped a bunch of mutants of their powers (Decimation).

And then there's some stuff with Scarlet Witch being a Doombot, her kids are alive, yada, yada, yada.

So I guess the deal is she was suffering from a psychotic break or something like that, then her brother manipulated her, so she can't be held fully accountable for her actions.

Take from that what you will.

Date: 2012-03-28 08:02 pm (UTC)
protogarrett: (Default)
From: [personal profile] protogarrett
Comitting near genocide of a species is totally okay if you were partially-manipulated or insane?

Date: 2012-03-28 08:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] doomisay
She didn't kill them. She de-powered them.

Date: 2012-03-28 08:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
but the depowering led to many of thier deaths, some were excruciatingly long and painful...

Date: 2012-03-28 08:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] protogarrett
Which resulted in many mutants dying, like the student at Xavier's who drowned because he was depowered.

Date: 2012-03-29 07:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] baihu
Imagine a flying mutant.

He can't fly no more.

Too bad for him as he plummets to earth, hm?

Date: 2012-03-29 07:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] salinea
That some mutants (a small number, though, of the total population of mutants) ended up dead as a direct or indirect result of the depowering still doesn't make "depowering" the same thing as "mass slaughter".

Date: 2012-03-30 02:50 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] glprime
It's the same as somebody being impaired (chemically or otherwise) and causing a severe, possibly fatal car wreck.

You don't call it per-meditated murder, but it ain't "oopsie, my bad" either.

I'm in the camp that wants to see more atonement from Wanda. She may be a victim, but not like those who suffered horrific complications (like Blob) or death (like the flame being who depowered inside an active volcano... right in front of his significant other) because of her powers.

Date: 2012-03-28 11:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lascoden
Genocide is defined by the UN in the CPPCG as:
"any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group children of the group to another group."
She intended to rid the world of mutants. It fits.

Date: 2012-03-28 08:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
It's certainly one of the more plausible mitigating factors.

Date: 2012-03-28 09:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lorriek
Yes. I'm serious (well, not about the genocide stuff, but describing what happened as "genocide" is hyperbole, anyway). I don't think it's right in most cases to prosecute people for serious crimes they commit while psychotic in real life. Yes, they probably need to be separated from society for everyone's protection for a certain amount of time, perhaps institutionalized for life in some situations, but prosecuting them is revenge, not justice. I'm certainly not looking for a fictional character, a hero at that, to "pay" for something she did while psychotic and/or not in control of her own mind.

Date: 2012-03-28 10:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] arysteia
No. But you're not legally culpable. That's how the insanity defence works. You're not in control, ergo you're not responsible. You then go to a treatment/holding facility if you're a threat to others, or are released if you're not, eg temporary insanity. Fairly simple concept.

Date: 2012-03-29 10:40 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] whitesycamore
No, it's not "totally ok," but it's not the same as doing such a thing rationally and in cold blood.

Psychosis isn't something that's within a person's control, although you could argue that in some cases psychotic people still have control over their actions, to some extent.


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