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I post here...never. I don't think I've posted anything since I joined ages ago. I'm such a lurker. But I didn't see this scene posted yet, so I thought I'd do the honors. If I messed it up somehow, broke any rules, or missed these pages being posted somehow, please feel free to tell me and I'll do what I can to fix it. :)

Jason and co are in Gotham saving some kids at a hospital when Alfred sends out his distress signal, concerning the Night of the Owls stuff. Jason is about to leave when Roy points out that a lot of people are on the job already, but Tim picks up that Jason has intercepted their call. He asks Jason to stick around and help, and Kory -- Kori, whatever -- asks Jason if he knows Tim.

This lovely little flashback occurs.

I've wanted some nice brotherly love from Tim and Jason since he came back to life in 2005. I know a lot of people are put off by the reboot, but I think this made it worthwhile for me. (Although the idea of Alfred's cooking being anything but perfect is clearly absurd. :P And I don't like how Tim's being portrayed in Teen Titans... But that's a story for another day.)

Did anyone else love the idea of Tim and Jason being buds as much as I do?

Date: 2012-04-18 06:40 pm (UTC)
sun_man: this is Dick Grayson (Default)
From: [personal profile] sun_man
It was pretty much exactly what I feared. Extremely OOC, complete disregard of their previous relationship, killing attempts are just shrugged off and everything we get is pretty much a “Sorry, that I tried to kill you, bro.” over a shared breakfast.

Which in itself reads a lot like a bad fanfiction. Eating waffles together on a veranda? Really? Really?

“Hey, I tried to kill you and you actually hate what I represent, but I am cool with that. Lets be bros.”

“Oh, okay fine. I am sorry too that I tried to kill you, lets eat waffles.”

(I wish I would be joking but that is pretty much how it goes)

I was also extremely baffled by how their relationship was explained. Apparently, Tim assigned Jason to get him information about Cassie. But why he did that is not explained.

How did this happen? What made Tim consider asking Jason? How did he find Jason? Why did Jason agree to do this for him? Because he got information in return? But why did Tim not sort out any other of his actual allies first? Namely Barbara, whose past as Oracle is still intact in the reboot and who was the primary information broker of the Superhero community? Surely she could have helped him with his request? Why Jason?

I really couldn’t wrap my mind around that.

And no, I don’t hate the ship. On the contrary, they could have a really interesting dynamic and I do like the general idea of them getting over themselves and trying to be brothers. But the execution in RHatO #8 was just so poor. So blatantly OOC and illogical.

I will be in my corner, crying.

Date: 2012-04-18 07:12 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
i agree.

i for one LOVE this new take on these characters. Tim is a bit more pragmatic, Jason has dealt with his rage issues. they are still tim and jason, and as such still have thier quirks and foibles... but they have grown. so what every Jason HAS done, Tim took a pragmatic look to it.

Date: 2012-04-19 11:26 am (UTC)
eyz: (Babs)
From: [personal profile] eyz
Canon by Retcon :P

Date: 2012-04-18 07:18 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Who says Barbara's past as Oracle is intact? Where's the evidence of that? Given the current state of the character, I see no evidence that the Barbara currently in Batgirl could have nearly the chops to be Oracle.

Date: 2012-04-18 07:21 pm (UTC)
thefiretonight: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thefiretonight
Seconded. I don't believe there's even been a mention of Oracle in ANY Bat book, not just Babs'.

Date: 2012-04-18 07:23 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
I don't think it helps that the DCnU's continuity and included-events from the old universe is so clusterfucky that figuring it out would make Stephen Hawking's head spin, but I don't think even Simone is too clear on what she can include.

Date: 2012-04-18 08:10 pm (UTC)
milleniumrex: (Default)
From: [personal profile] milleniumrex
What we've seen so far:

- Barbara was in a wheelchair for three years.

- Dinah knew Barbara during that time, they worked together in some capacity, and their relationship is mostly intact.

They probably want to keep things vague, but given that, it makes sense that Barbara was active in some sort of Oracle-like capacity.

Date: 2012-04-18 08:23 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
We've seen no proof of Oracle, and there's been no mention of her. Given the JLA have been around five years, and the idea that the Bat-Family continuity is intact is blatant bullshit and lies, I see no reason for them to keep it around. Barbara would surely have some leftovers from her time as Oracle, and not be hunting people down through Google at times.

Date: 2012-04-18 08:31 pm (UTC)
milleniumrex: (Default)
From: [personal profile] milleniumrex
I have a feeling they're going to basically bust it down to "Oracle Jr.", for all practical purposes. Instead of running a global network that all superheroes worked with, she helped the Bat-family out from behind her home computer. Meh.

Date: 2012-04-19 07:52 am (UTC)
jcbaggee: Jesus (Default)
From: [personal profile] jcbaggee
"Barbara, send me an address where they sell this very specific toxin. that a Let Me Google That For You link? DAMMIT BARBARA. STOP DOING THAT."

Date: 2012-04-19 02:49 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
it has to be. Batman Incorporated is still around and it's used her skills as Oracle.

Date: 2012-04-19 09:23 am (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Morrison's already stated that some bits of Batman Inc will be invalidated in the light of the relaunch, but they are going to be ignored and just not mentioned since the tone of this second series will be different. That's why Snyder himself said there's no plans for Cass and Steph, even though they featured in the first half and logically should feature in the second. So.. No Oracle either, from the look of things.

Date: 2012-04-19 11:28 am (UTC)
eyz: (Bruce Wayne)
From: [personal profile] eyz
Called it, several months ago!

The Reds can be bros now!


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