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Also a few more from the critically acclaimed (Okay, by me...) Nextwave: Agents of H.A.T.E by Warren Ellis.

And since context is still for the weak...

This is how the world ends. With awesomeness. Also, to top it all off? Warren Ellis replied to me when I was raving on Twitter earlier about it.

And I quote..."‏ @warrenellis@ApexPredatorKM No. #NEXTWAVE will fill your spirit with light. And a little pus. But mostly light."

And by Darkseid, there's nothing more right than that.

Date: 2012-05-02 12:01 pm (UTC)
dr_archeville: Doctor Arkeville (Default)
From: [personal profile] dr_archeville
I have never understood the appeal of this series, or the changes they did to the characters. Is there any way this can be explained, or is it just something you "get" (and if you don't get it right off, you never will)?

Date: 2012-05-02 01:07 pm (UTC)
jkcarrier: me, at my old office (Default)
From: [personal profile] jkcarrier
Pretty much...either you're into Ellis' particular brand of snarky humor, or you're not. As for the changes, I'd say he took a bunch of mostly generic, forgettable characters and gave them some personality...NextWave was the first and last time Monica Rambeau has been remotely interesting.

Date: 2012-05-02 01:31 pm (UTC)
brooms: (iorek)
From: [personal profile] brooms
didn't it also come out while really serious and not-fun stuff was happening in the whole MU (civil war)?

it could have been sort of a well-timed reprieve.

Date: 2012-05-02 02:02 pm (UTC)
dr_archeville: Doctor Arkeville (Default)
From: [personal profile] dr_archeville
It was that, and I will give Ellis credit for trying to inject more light-hearted fun into the MU. It just wasn't the type of light-hearted fun I, personally, enjoyed.

Date: 2012-05-02 02:01 pm (UTC)
dr_archeville: Doctor Arkeville (Default)
From: [personal profile] dr_archeville
Yeah, those are my problems -- I'm not a huge fan of snark (at least, not of snark in such large quantities), and I thought Machine Man and Monica Rambeau were both fine characters before this. The whole thing seemed like a pointless reboot catering to fans of snarky anti-heroes and Michael Bay-esque mindless, over-the-top explosive action.

Date: 2012-05-02 04:00 pm (UTC)
jkcarrier: me, at my old office (Default)
From: [personal profile] jkcarrier
I wouldn't call it a reboot, just looking at the characters from a slightly skewed perspective. Even Kirby's Machine Man was pretty sardonic and alienated:

I don't think it's a huge leap from that to "Bite my valve, fleshy one."

Date: 2012-05-02 07:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] halloweenjack
I fuckin' love that last scan, have ever since the comic came out, and it still kills me a little inside that Kirby's original run only lasted eight issues.

Date: 2012-05-02 04:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
At the end of the day, Nextwave was a distinct deviation from the formula that Ellis developed with Stormwatch and the Authority, which was a mature, intelligent approach to superheroes, lethal force and the like. Nextwave merely simplified the superhero comic down to it's most basic, basic form; There's a vague semblance of a plot, but generally, it's about heroes hitting increasingly ridiculous stuff with little to no explanation and snappy quips. It's a total distillation of the superhero comic.

As for the changes to established characters - Ellis never wanted it in continuity anyway - it was meant to be a maxi-series bit of fun. Marvel insisted on taking the characterisations he came up with and inserting those back into the MU, despite Nextwave never being properly referenced.

Date: 2012-05-02 05:27 pm (UTC)
jkcarrier: me, at my old office (Default)
From: [personal profile] jkcarrier
To me, the difference between The Authority and NextWave is like the difference between Watchmen and 1963. The former is the author going, "Superheroes as a concept are pretty fascist, and we should maybe examine that a little bit", and the latter is "Oh God, you thought I meant that all superheroes should be like that all the time? Hell no, how boring would that be?"

Date: 2012-05-02 05:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Absolutely. Absolutely. By the time Ellis did Nextwave, the more mature formula he'd developed had basically been perverted into the childish bullshit traditionally peddled by Miller - again, Nextwave was done in the midst of Civil War, which is perhaps the most pretentious attempt to mix real world politics, a mature tone, and superheroes, and the execution was garbage. So Ellis naturally had his fun exploring his concept with the Authority, but by the time he got to Nextwave, yeah, why not have some fun?

Date: 2012-05-02 02:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Have to demur on Moncia, she was interesting when she was a member of, and for a time leading, the Avengers. IMHO of course.

Date: 2012-05-03 04:15 am (UTC)
viridian5: (Rommie blue)
From: [personal profile] viridian5
I really liked her in the '80s Avengers. Heck, I really liked and miss the writing on The Avengers in the '80s.

Date: 2012-05-04 12:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deleonjh
So did you like Switchblade Honey? Because I didn't even understand which parts were supposed to be the jokes.

Date: 2012-05-04 02:50 am (UTC)
jkcarrier: me, at my old office (Default)
From: [personal profile] jkcarrier
Haven't read that one.

Date: 2012-05-02 02:43 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
It's the sort of thing I quite like in small doses, provided it's not happening to characters whose original iterations I was fond of. (A reason I never warmed to the much lauded "Bwah-ha-ha!" Justice League, I LIKED the original take on Blue Beetle)


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