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Cyclops tricks the Avengers and the X-Men escape Utopia thanks to Illyana.

Cap sends the Avengers to various locations to look for Hope. Wolvie and Cap take a walk to compare half baked strategies and well this happens...

Additional Spoiler:

At first I was going to bitch about Rachel being Cyclops' mole in Logan's School, but then I remembered when Wolvie tried to kill her when she was the Phoenix's host. Which if that's what they end up using to justify her siding with Cyke is actually a) good writing and B) an astonishing nod to continuity.


If they believe the Phoenix's arrival means a rebirth for them, then it makes sense for most (if not all) of the mutants to side with the other mutants. But I don't get how the Phoenix arriving equates jump starting mutant baby births.

Cap and Logan both have flawed strategies about what to do about the Phoenix but at least their reactions to it make (some) sense.

Cyclops' doesn't. It's not like the Phoenix has been so helpful to him and his in the past. If anything he should be the first one trying to hide Hope and plotting a way to reroute/destroy it.

Date: 2012-05-02 06:25 pm (UTC)
atom_punk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] atom_punk
I'm fairly certain Cap could get Logan ejected from the ship solo but why would he waste time and risk serious injury doing so when he has backup?

He could engage in prolonged combat with Wolverine but given that they are both lethal combatants, Cap would probably end up with an arm sliced off or otherwise incapacitated in the midst of a major crisis.

By calling in backup he can neutralize Wolverine quickly with a minimum of fuss and move on to other problems.

That said, I still don't follow the premise of this crossover at all. Many people here informed me that the Phoenix has actually been helpful rather than hostile (with the obvious exception of the Dark Phoenix business).

So it is possible based on its history it could somehow help the mutant race but the plot of the current situation demands that Phoenix go Galactus and start destroying planets just to set up a conflict between Avengers and X-men.

Contrived plot aside, if the reality-warping cosmic entity has apparently changed its MO maybe now is not the right time to try and use it to create more mutants.

Date: 2012-05-02 06:29 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (delphyne gun)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
I'm fairly certain Cap could get Logan ejected from the ship solo but why would he waste time and risk serious injury doing so when he has backup?

Yeah, he might get sliced open, his shield damaged, and face broken. Oh wait.

My point was that Cap's supposed to be good enough he should be able to manoeuvre Logan into that position without getting a beating, and without needing backup. (He could have, for instance, said "Hey Logan, can you check the door's properly shut, Sharon says she's getting weird readings." No need for punching and slicing.) Now, I realise that comics need their obligatory pages of combat, but would it have been so hard to show Cap doing something tactically competent to manoeuvre Logan into the correct position?
Edited (close brackets) Date: 2012-05-02 06:30 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-05-02 06:39 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Wolverine might expect such a move from Cap solo, it's his sort of a stunt, throwing Giant Man into the mix adds a random element Logan wasn't as prepared for.

And relying on an ally for support IS a tactically competent move, when you're used to being part of a team.

Date: 2012-05-02 06:48 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (Felicia)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
LOL, this argument is slowly shifting! I'm not really complaining that Cap used allies at all. The point I originally made was that it wasn't hard to swallow that Cap could beat Wolverine singlehanded without getting hurt. I doubt many monocles would have popped at the concept.

If Cap had used planning and assistance to efficiently take out Wolverine, that would have seemed perfectly reasonable to me. As it is, he's just... done a crappy job. Seriously, you've decided to gang up on Wolverine, you've planned ahead, you've got Giant Man and Sharon working with you, and you still get beat up and cut? *sad trombone* Tactical fail, Cap.

Date: 2012-05-02 06:54 pm (UTC)
atom_punk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] atom_punk
Lol. True. It still doesn't make sense. Just saying that I can understand why Giant-Man (I think that's his name ATM) was called in to intervene.

idk, maybe Cap wanted to wear Wolverine down a bit so that he would not stab Giant-Man in his giant feet? Sort of get Logan's attention focused on him then have Giant-Man blindside him?

And as for tricking Wolverine into position, I think that even prior to the actual fistfighting Logan and Cap were already suspicious of each other so Wolverine would have been savvy enough to tell something was fishy about being asked to "check out" a random door. Then again, characterizations/intellects for comic book characters are so inconsistent and altered to sustain the plot so who knows.

We're probably putting more thought into this scene than the writers and editors who produced it :P

Side note: is that door there entirely for the purpose of kicking people out of the ship? The way the door is leads to a small room with an exterior hatch in the floor makes it seem impractical for any other purpose.

I know the Avengers are sometimes seen jumping from an aircraft into battle but that room looks too small to hold the entire team. Then again I can't tell with the art style. Never mind XD

Date: 2012-05-02 06:57 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (Barda)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
We're probably putting more thought into this scene than the writers and editors who produced it :P

I think that's the problem, sigh. It's so by-the-numbers. (I'm not even sure why it was necessary to throw Logan off the plane. You could probably have just landed and he would have left?)

I suppose if that door exists solely for kicking people out of the ship, it would be more difficult to make Logan go stand in front of it...

Date: 2012-05-02 07:37 pm (UTC)
atom_punk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] atom_punk
Thinking of hilarious mix-ups for that door now.

W-"Hey Cap, mind if I use the bathroom?"

CA-"Sure Logan go ahe- NO NOT THAT DOOR!"

W-"@#%$!!!!" (falls from plane)

CA-"-sigh- Why did I install that?"

Date: 2012-05-02 07:39 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (americat)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
And then Cap is just... "yeah, I decided that Logan was a liability and kicked him off the plane" because he doesn't want to admit that door was a bad idea.

Date: 2012-05-02 08:37 pm (UTC)
sherkahn: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sherkahn
I just made a few posts on AvX showing how this incarnation of the Phoenix has murdered planets with sentient being on it.


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