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ComicBookResources has the preview of X-Men Legacy #266, as the fight comes to the Jean Grey School of Higher Learning.

Red Wing vs. Lockheed!

Don't do it, guys!

and yeah, the Avengers should've brought more muscles.

Date: 2012-05-04 11:08 pm (UTC)
brooms: (iorek)
From: [personal profile] brooms
i'm not the most articulate person, so let me apologize in advance if this doesn't make much sense.

while i really dig the x-men, i'm not comfortable when they openly compare the mutants' plight to examples of rl prejudice/oppression in the comics, tbh. i'm not wild on borrowing words like chink or nigger or faggot to make your fantasy prejudice more legit.

especially bc, when it comes down to it, it's really not the same?

poc, muslims, jewish people, lgbt folks - they are just people. they can't go through walls and steal your money, or use their mindcontrol to seduce nubile white women, or w/e. they are not inherently capable of any more or less than a cisgendered heterosexual male WASP.

Date: 2012-05-05 02:18 am (UTC)
sistermagpie: Classic magpie (Default)
From: [personal profile] sistermagpie
I see your point, but I feel like it almost comes down to whether they should feel free to commit to their fiction or not. The problems with the analogy are huge, as you point out here, but it's pretty central to the comic. I don't think they're so much using it to make the fantasy prejudice more legit as take it as a real premise in that world. It seems like it really centers on the idea of whether it's a fit subject for entertainment purposes at all.

Date: 2012-05-05 04:12 am (UTC)
brooms: (iorek)
From: [personal profile] brooms
I don't think they're so much using it to make the fantasy prejudice more legit as take it as a real premise in that world.

i think it's a personal problem. like, with me. because i don't really have a hard time buying it as a real premise in that world. i'm the most gullible reader a sci-fi/fantasy writer could hope for, i'm an olympic champion in suspension of disbelief! i roll with all kinds of bullshit - ALL KINDS! ... as long as it's in a clear fantasy world. i know 616 is supposed to mirror our own, but there's too many fantastical elements in there for it to really feel like it.

so yes! i not only buy, but am invested in the plights of these mostly white, young, super model looking, slow aging, supremely powerful persecuted ppl.

but when they openly bring serious shit from my world to theirs, naming real names (and few things are realer to me than ethnic slurs), making the comparisons for me instead of just inviting them, it throws me out of it. the dream collapses. suddenly, all i can see is the many ways in which this doesn't work at all and i'm like, why u do this, i'm not here for that.

Date: 2012-05-06 11:17 am (UTC)
greenmask: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greenmask
As an adult, I'm in the same boat as you and I cringe when it appears that the x-books are using RL-racism to up the stakes for their fictional discrimination. But then again, when I was little nothing made me think about how RL-racism was bad so much as understanding the pain of these super-fun fictional people who experienced fake (i.e. non-threatening) discrimination which was then compared to RL-racism.

I think it works in a book ór show for kids, or possibly a book or show for kids who don't actually experience inescapable prejudice, because it makes things understandable without being a too-heavy downer, but.. X-Men isn't really a kids book (anymore?) like the cartoon was a kids' cartoon. As a writer, it's probably easy to forget that there's a difference.


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