[personal profile] jaysonbyron 2012-05-09 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Holy. Shit!

I want to ask for context, but at the same time, I want to not have it.
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[personal profile] northstarfan 2012-05-09 05:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Dark Horse has all of it's FCBD offerings up for free download until the end of the month if your curiosity wins out. ;)

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[personal profile] mrstatham 2012-05-09 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Yawn. The Alien franchise has long, long since lost most of it's credibility. This, tacking them into Joss Whedon's attempts to squeeze the last drops of life out of his franchise that never needed a season eight, let alone nine, really isn't helping things in the slightest. But then I forgot that Whedon helped put nails in the coffin for the Alien franchise in the first place.

Thank God for Ridley Scott.
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[personal profile] espanolbot 2012-05-09 06:09 pm (UTC)(link)
On the plus side, Alien Resurrection had two of the greatest actors of all time in it.

Ron Perlman and Brad Dourif for the win! ^^
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[personal profile] mrstatham 2012-05-09 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, yes. I'm never one to complain about more Ron Perlman. And to be honest, I like Sigourney Weaver in most things she's in, even if she was visibly bored by the time she did AR.

But seriously, the film is so much garbage. It blatantly ignores the ground rules laid down by the Alien's inherited traits from it's host creature - and as such, where the fuck does the Queen Alien getting a giant womb come from, let alone the idiotic Newborn thing? It also treats the regular drones like not-so-dangerous mooks - which, granted, Cameron in Aliens did a little, but they were visibly still dangerous and pretty damn scary when in swarm-mode. I just think AR and the AvP movies really, really damaged the Alien franchise. Predator got a leg up again thanks to the pretty good Predators, but I'm really, really hoping Prometheus is the shit, and I couldn't give a flying fuck if it doesn't make Avengers money.
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[personal profile] dr_archeville 2012-05-09 06:39 pm (UTC)(link)
It's been years since I've seen it, but didn't the Head Scientist Dude make the Queen Alien w/ Womb (tinkering with it after they extracted it from the successfully cloned Ripley) because... because he thought it'd be (somehow) better with more lady-parts?
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[personal profile] mrstatham 2012-05-09 07:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I think, as suggested below, that the attempts to clone Ripley mean that traits have crossed between her and the Alien Queen. The Queen gets the reproductive system of a human - which is really, bizarrely inefficient compared to the egg>>facehugger>>Alien system, and Ripley gains all the Alien bennies. The last remaining scientist who gets his skull bitten open by the Newborn after it's born confirms this when he bellows about the womb being Ripley's 'gift' to the Queen.
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[personal profile] khamelea 2012-05-09 06:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I always understood the Queen's womb as coming from the same place Ripley's acid blood and genetic memory came from: the two clones sort of bleeding into each other, and that was the first pair the scientists managed to clone that weren't too freakishly unmelded to be viable.

As for the Newborn, I have no freaking idea. Was Ripley supposed to be pregnant before dying, or did one of the scientists have sex with the cloned Queen, or what?
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[personal profile] mrstatham 2012-05-09 07:11 pm (UTC)(link)
The thing is, it was never fully explained properly - presumably because, you know, movie!genetics or whatever, but I suppose the Newborn was like, meant to be the offspring of the new type of Queen deviated from the clone Ripley. As in, Ripley gets strength, agility, etc - the Queen gets a womb.

But it just never felt correctly explained as to why we still had drones - as in Aliens born from people the facehuggers impregnated, thus needing eggs (like Alien, Aliens, and even Alien 3 with the dog/ox Alien), and yet the nature of the new Queen meaning it produced children like a human woman does - not eggs. I know the crew Winona Ryder and Ron Perlman are a part of bring in test subjects, but this doesn't explain how we do have the distinct kinds of Alien, despite the changed Queen Alien being really important to the story.

So yeah - the Newborn would basically be the 'new' Alien model that the changed Queen from Clone!Ripley would produce, if it didn't cut it's mother's face off after birth. But.. Yeah. Exactly where the Queen gets the necessary material to make said baby from.. Not sure. Especially since the usual process does require a host/donor. Maybe it's asexual.
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[personal profile] icon_uk 2012-05-09 06:58 pm (UTC)(link)
It blatantly ignores the ground rules laid down by the Alien's inherited traits from it's host creature

I do recall quadruped Aliens emerging from the remains of a dog, so that seemed to fit the pattern.

Couldn't agree more about the idea of a womb-bearing Alien Queen being a chronically crappy idea.
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[personal profile] mrstatham 2012-05-09 07:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep - Alien 3 does have the 'Dog' Alien - although it's an Ox in the director's cut, I believe, so it's implied that the Alien is meant to take on traits from the thing it gestates in. Even the godawful AVP2 follows that rule with the Predator-Alien.

But.. Yeah. I think Aliens probably distanced the creatures from Giger's original design a little too much anyway, but I think they still had the right flavour and sexual creepiness to them as intended; Alien 3 turns it into a character dynamic, almost, but the choices in Alien Resurrection are really, really bizarre.
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[personal profile] icon_uk 2012-05-09 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Ox? Really? I know that was planned for the proposed cartoon series, along with, of all things, a King Alien, but never knew it appeared in a movie.
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[personal profile] mrstatham 2012-05-09 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I'm pretty certain it's only in the normal cut of the film that the facehugger attaches to a dog - In the original version, which is present on the DVD/Blurays these days, it was an ox. From the look of things, the switch to the dog worked a little better, but both contribute quite nicely to the notion of the Alien taking traits from it's host.
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[personal profile] mrstatham 2012-05-10 12:50 pm (UTC)(link)
And again, the Ox is canonically part of the Workprint/Assembly edition - which is closer to what Fincher intended. Again, I think the dog works slightly better than the Ox, and there are a handful of bits in the Assembly cut that I don't think work - like the embryonic Queen forcing it's way into Ripley after hatching; That said, the lack of this sequence in the final film causes more problems with the facehugger that actually impregnates Ripley.

So.. Yeah. Alien 3 does have some problems. Still better than Resurrection.
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[personal profile] shadowpsykie 2012-05-09 06:23 pm (UTC)(link)
i actually like Joss Whedon's contributions to the franchise... i for one liked season 8 (for the most part) and I am liking season 9...
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[personal profile] mrstatham 2012-05-09 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, it is his franchise so he's entitled to take it where he wants, but.. I just think the guy should've gone and done more Fray.
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[personal profile] filthysize 2012-05-09 06:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Big fan of Alien Resurrection here. Heaps better than Fincher's movie.
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[personal profile] glprime 2012-05-10 03:45 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you and good night :)
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[personal profile] dr_archeville 2012-05-09 06:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Gah, this reminds me of a short-lived freeform play-by-post game I was in, years ago, which mashed up the Xenomorphs (and Yautja) and White Wolf’s World of Darkness (and a few other things). Yes, there was a Vampire Xenomorph, and a Werewolf one. And a cyborg one, with a multiweapon limb like the T-X/’Terminatrix’ from Terminator 3 (can’t recall if the multiweapon thing was on one of its forearms, or its tail).
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[personal profile] mrstatham 2012-05-09 07:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, the cyborg Alien would at least have some grounding in the franchise, since I recall them appearing in levels throughout one of the first AVP shooters for the PC. Although god only knows why Weyland-Yutani or whatever would feel the need to 'enhance' the Xenomorph by giving it weighty cybernetic limbs.
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[personal profile] dr_archeville 2012-05-09 07:40 pm (UTC)(link)
From what I recall of the campaign, it wasn't Weyland-Yutani that made the cyber-Xenomorph, it was another corp; I can't recall if it had any ties to Weyland-Yutani, but it definitely had ties to the Technocracy (of White Wolf's Mage: the Ascension). The same corp caught the vampire Xenomorph (which got that way after eating a few regular Vampire: the Masquerade-style vamps), and attempted to replicate its abilities.

It was a very weird game.

(My char was ex-KGB who was lead to the Tunguska site by Baba Yaga, found a crashed Yautja ship, and used its power cores to fashion ten rings of fantastic power; eating some Yautja flesh [he was trapped in the ship for months] gave him a prolonged life, allowing him to use his rings to fight supernatural nasties for decades.)
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[personal profile] cainofdreaming 2012-05-09 08:07 pm (UTC)(link)
There's also the Terminator/Aliens/Predator crossover mini from Dark Horse. In which one of the Skynet infiltrators (it set the Aliens future to have happened after Skynet era, which had been mostly forgotten by then) created Alien Terminators.

It's not really DH's best work, but at least it had entertaining action scenes.
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[personal profile] bariman 2012-05-10 12:02 pm (UTC)(link)
They forgot a robot apocalypse?
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[personal profile] mrstatham 2012-05-10 01:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, we are never told how far into the future Alien takes place, I believe? I think it's stated sometimes in the Terminator movies - or at least in EU stuff - that the war against the machines is going badly for Skynet, making their attempts to kill the Connors in the past a saving throw of sorts. So whilst it probably went on for several decades, I imagine the war against the machines couldn't possibly last forever.
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[personal profile] lascoden 2012-05-10 09:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, we are never told how far into the future Alien takes place...

Well, since Ripley spent some time in cryo between Alien and Aliens, we can safely say it is at least 57 years into the future. (:
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[personal profile] icon_uk 2012-05-09 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)
How would a cyborg be able to cope with the molecular acid blood, I geekily wonder?
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[personal profile] lascoden 2012-05-10 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
If it's resistant tissue, maybe the inside of the tubes are coated with vein tissue. Alternately, it could keep it mechanically pressurized.
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[personal profile] darkblade 2012-05-09 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
There was a comic that had a Terminator with a cloned Alien exoskeleton around it's robot body instead of human flesh. Some vs combination of Alien, Predator and Terminator.
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[personal profile] auggie18 2012-05-09 07:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, huh. That's...

...slightly neat, I guess.

I think I'd be more into this if it happened a few years ago. As it is, my first thought after reading this was "man, she should be so blinded looking into the sun like that."
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[personal profile] his_spiffynesss 2012-05-09 07:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd assume the solarium's windows were polarized to keep the light levels closer to earth norms, thus it's powerful enough to burn the xenomorph, but not blinding so.