Date: 2012-05-09 06:58 pm (UTC)
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It blatantly ignores the ground rules laid down by the Alien's inherited traits from it's host creature

I do recall quadruped Aliens emerging from the remains of a dog, so that seemed to fit the pattern.

Couldn't agree more about the idea of a womb-bearing Alien Queen being a chronically crappy idea.

Date: 2012-05-09 07:24 pm (UTC)
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Yep - Alien 3 does have the 'Dog' Alien - although it's an Ox in the director's cut, I believe, so it's implied that the Alien is meant to take on traits from the thing it gestates in. Even the godawful AVP2 follows that rule with the Predator-Alien.

But.. Yeah. I think Aliens probably distanced the creatures from Giger's original design a little too much anyway, but I think they still had the right flavour and sexual creepiness to them as intended; Alien 3 turns it into a character dynamic, almost, but the choices in Alien Resurrection are really, really bizarre.

Date: 2012-05-09 09:19 pm (UTC)
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Ox? Really? I know that was planned for the proposed cartoon series, along with, of all things, a King Alien, but never knew it appeared in a movie.

Date: 2012-05-09 09:30 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, I'm pretty certain it's only in the normal cut of the film that the facehugger attaches to a dog - In the original version, which is present on the DVD/Blurays these days, it was an ox. From the look of things, the switch to the dog worked a little better, but both contribute quite nicely to the notion of the Alien taking traits from it's host.

Date: 2012-05-10 12:50 pm (UTC)
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And again, the Ox is canonically part of the Workprint/Assembly edition - which is closer to what Fincher intended. Again, I think the dog works slightly better than the Ox, and there are a handful of bits in the Assembly cut that I don't think work - like the embryonic Queen forcing it's way into Ripley after hatching; That said, the lack of this sequence in the final film causes more problems with the facehugger that actually impregnates Ripley.

So.. Yeah. Alien 3 does have some problems. Still better than Resurrection.

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