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blackruzsa ([personal profile] blackruzsa) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily2012-08-22 03:32 pm
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Schrödinger's Cat

Just a bit of Before Watchmen for your.... well, whatever you'll feel about this.





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[personal profile] eyz 2012-08-22 07:52 am (UTC)(link)
I preferred Animal Man's "Schrödinger's Pizza" :P
(anyone got the reference? XD)
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[personal profile] arbre_rieur 2012-08-22 07:54 am (UTC)(link)
"Quantum physics says as long as the box is closed, it could contain anything, in any state of existence."

No.*

*I'm not a physicist, quantum or otherwise, so maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

[personal profile] captainbellman 2012-08-22 08:29 am (UTC)(link)
The other reason this is bullshit is that it discounts the human character, which Dr. Manhattan showed himself to be constantly and acutely aware of throughout Moore's "Watchmen".

I'll explain: the above conjecture by this version of Dr. Manhattan apparently believes that literally anything could be in the box, and hence assumes that probabilities caused by human decisions are as infinite (and hence, unpredictable) as those caused by chance. But this is inaccurate, as human decisions are informed by character and/or experience, and having an intimate knowledge of them means that the probabilities they cause can be somewhat predictable. As shown in the original "Watchmen", Dr. Manhattan - like Sherlock Holmes before him, and Abed of "Community" after - is able to acutely observe and understand human character from an outsider's perspective much more precisely than a relatively normal person, and use the knowledge he gains from that perspective to predict their probable behaviour.

Thus: knowing his father as he does (as shown in the flashbacks in "Watchmen"), the above recollection by Dr. Manhattan should NOT state that the box could contain anything, because his intimate knowledge of his father, even before he became Dr. Manhattan, would be able to inform him of what sort of gift to expect: say, a watch, a physics textbook, a selection of papers by Einstein, etc. Probability might be infinite, but it can also be predictable when the observer knows what is probable and improbable.

QUOT

ERAT

MOTHERF*CKING

DEMONSTRATDUM.
Edited 2012-08-22 08:30 (UTC)

[personal profile] captainbellman 2012-08-22 08:33 am (UTC)(link)
Also: the blue wrapper is unnecessary. Trying to imply that Jon was 'predestined' to become the Doc is foolish, and typical of JMS' "Everything Is Connected" approach to storytelling. A nuclear reactor and an unfortunate chance made Dr. Manhattan, not the colour blue.
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[personal profile] skemono 2012-08-22 08:57 am (UTC)(link)
As Deepak Chopra taught us, quantum physics means anything can happen at any time for no reason. Also, eat plenty of oatmeal and animals never had a war. Who’s the real animals?
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[personal profile] abates 2012-08-22 10:22 am (UTC)(link)
"But no, it was another sodding pair of socks."
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Been a while since I read it but...

[personal profile] espanolbot 2012-08-22 11:39 am (UTC)(link)
Hrrm, reminds me of what Albert tried to explain the concept of the cat in the box to Death in... the Last Hero I think it was. Considering it was Death he was trying to explain it too, who points out that if he didn't know if something was alive or dead he'd be kind of bad at his job, it just results in the anthropomorphic personification giving Albert a cool look, removing the cat from the box and firmly stating "I can't abide cruelty to cats".
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[personal profile] crinos 2012-08-22 02:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Somewhere Niels Bohr walks among us, Unobserved and IMMORTAL.

[personal profile] blueprintstyles 2012-08-22 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think he's going off Schrödinger's cat, there are other theories that support this.
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[personal profile] liara_shadowsong 2012-08-22 03:03 pm (UTC)(link)
...That's not how quantum physics works. Also, was it really necessary to make both his shirt and the wrapping paper blue? There's foreshadowing, and then there's implications of predestination. XP

[personal profile] md84 2012-08-22 03:26 pm (UTC)(link)
He's probably just taking comfort in the idea that in some parallel reality, he actually got a gift he wanted.
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[personal profile] icon_uk 2012-08-22 04:44 pm (UTC)(link)
IIRC in JMS's Squadron Supreme, their Zatanna analogue Arcanna had the ability to manipulate parallel quantum dimensions to achieve the result that she wanted. She also used Schrodinger's Cat as the example of how her power worked.
Edited 2012-08-22 16:45 (UTC)
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[personal profile] shadowpsykie 2012-08-22 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
aha! Bleedingcool puts it perfectly why I don't like this new interpretation of Manhattan!

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/08/22/dr-manhattan-rewrites-watchmen-and-chooses-his-own-adventure/


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