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So Phantom Stranger was once known as Judas Iscariot, the guy who betrayed Jesus.

Thousands of years later he is guided to help desperate detective Jim Corrigan find his kidnapped girlfriend Gwen before his temper gets the better of him and he kills someone.

Corrigan gets killed by hoods, transforms into the Spectre and accuses the Stranger of betraying him. He's about to stomp the Stranger when Mysterious Voice sends him off to inflict his wrath on the more deserving.

As payment for what occur with Corrigan. One coin drops off the necklace and the Stranger realises he has a fair few encounters ahead of him before he is forgiven. The Stranger will always betray those in whose lives he intervenes.

Date: 2012-09-07 12:01 am (UTC)
leikomgwtfbbq: (NERD RAGE)
From: [personal profile] leikomgwtfbbq
...I'm not even going to say anything, because I will be here whining and moaning all day.

Date: 2012-09-07 12:04 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
In what sense was it a betrayal of Corrigan? From what I can see, PS didn't know what was going to happen, and acted in the best interests of saving Gwen, so it wasn't a betrayal by any means.

Date: 2012-09-07 12:19 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Corrigan doesn't know that. All he knows is some freaky dude took him to this location and suddenly he gets shot and killed. I think that's a fairly reasonable assumption for Corrigan to make.

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Date: 2012-09-07 12:05 am (UTC)
thormonger: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thormonger
That his first coin dropped off now makes me wonder why there was nothing else worth the same price in the 2000 years between his betraying Christ and his Corrigan assignment.

I've liked the Stranger for a long time, and although I'm disappointed that the mystery's largely gone, it helps to remember that no one in the DCnU knows who he is (yet).

I do look forward to seeing where the character goes from here.

Date: 2012-09-07 12:06 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
So the Specter is no longer the wrath of God, he is just an angry dude....and the Stranger atones for his sin by repeating it 30 times? Is the Stranger sure he is working for the good guys?

Date: 2012-09-07 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Well, when the voice says that "others" will feel his wrath, I took it to mean that he's going to become God's Vengeance--the Stranger was just used as an errand boy to put Corrigan in the place where he will die.

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Date: 2012-09-07 01:44 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
I guess maybe he betrayed once and he'll be blamed for betrayal 30 times. Hey, maybe the fact this is the first one is actually a sign all his previous meetings with people went pretty well.

Still, considering in Christianity Jesus came to Earth to die for our sins the whole Judas is terrible thing kind of makes no sense.

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Date: 2012-09-07 12:07 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] whoha
Just a heads up, But Phantom Stranger is going to be a guest star in Morrison's Action Comics #13.

Date: 2012-09-07 12:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] magus_69
I go back and forth on the whole "make him betray others" bit. On the one hand, it's very fitting in an ancient context, where powerful entities punished sinners with zero regard to anybody caught in the crossfire. On the other hand, the Stranger is supposed to be one of the good guys, and his showing up should be a light in the darkness.

Date: 2012-09-07 01:21 am (UTC)
an_idol_mind: (Default)
From: [personal profile] an_idol_mind
Wasn't part of the Phantom Stranger's appeal that his origin was unknown? It kinda takes a bit out of the character to have him defined so specifically, in my opinion.

Date: 2012-09-07 01:48 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
yes it was. This is a very foolish thing by DC and a sign they cannot tell that just because people want something, it doesn't mean they want only that.

A guy like Wolverine, who's past is always coming back to haunt him. Yeah eventually you want an origin, although that origin doesn't have to go all the way back to his youth just his current beginning.

A guy like Phantom Stranger where his past is just meant to build up that the guy has been around forever and seen a lot.

Modern entertainers need to understand that fans can hold multiple ideas and opinions at once.

Date: 2012-09-07 02:28 am (UTC)
leikomgwtfbbq: (Default)
From: [personal profile] leikomgwtfbbq
I always thought so.

More than that, though, it was the fact that he never really seemed to give a shit about his origin or his past. We don't know if he was amnesiac or anything like that; he just didn't care and never brought it up. (And his Secret Origins issue had four different origins. Though people like the Alan Moore one the best, his origin was ultimately "*shrug* Who knows?")

The past just wasn't part of him; he always seemed much more focused on the present and improving the future. Not to make up for some sin or anything. Just because he could. And I know a lot of people think that's unrealistic or childish, but I always really liked that there was this powerful mystery man in the story who tried to help just 'cause he felt like it.

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Date: 2012-09-07 05:10 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
Well, a lot of writers have been going with the "Fallen Angel On the Fence" idea of Moore's from that SECRET ORIGINS which showed 4 alternatives. But the thing is, Moore's idea was a good one, that's why, and fed into Millar's the Word in SWAMP THING, who was a great idea. Having him be Judas is pretty unimaginative by comparison--and makes him, by the way, another of the variants from that, the Wandering Jew.

Date: 2012-09-07 02:04 am (UTC)
bewareofgeek: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bewareofgeek
Interesting that Corrigan calls himself A Spectre, not THE Spectre.

Still a stupid story, though.

Date: 2012-09-07 05:07 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
Very much so--or at least mediocre. But Didio is not much of a writer, we know that. It's Anderson's rather uninspired art here that surprises me.

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Date: 2012-09-11 02:59 pm (UTC)
sir_mikael: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sir_mikael
One wonders if he basically is just an "ordinary" ghost. Probably not since some Higher Powers seem to be involved, but it still begs the question of how many similar Spectres there are out there.

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Date: 2012-09-07 02:06 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ilmari
Hate to say it, but if Didio is credited as the sole writer, history says that the comic is more likely than not to be utter crap.

This does not seem to break that pattern.

Date: 2012-09-07 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
I don't feel it's utter crap. Structurally it's a well put together story. It's just that no one has asked for it.

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Date: 2012-09-07 03:22 am (UTC)
shadowpsykie: (ask the questions)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
Hmmmm I actually like this.... Is it going to be a mini?

Date: 2012-09-07 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] whoha
It's an ongoing.

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Date: 2012-09-07 03:41 am (UTC)
silverhammerman: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
I think it's amusing how now Didio is finally using his clout as the head honcho to do stuff like OMAC and Phantom Stranger.

Date: 2012-09-07 01:10 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
You certainly can't accuse him of going for the maintream.

Date: 2012-09-07 05:06 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
I have to say: Brent Anderson is usually a lot better than this.

Date: 2012-09-07 07:45 am (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
Interesting, and oddly in tune with the (far better written) Matt Wagner version of the Stranger from his recent Madame Xanadu series.

The concept of the character there was that he moves through space and time in a non-linear fashion, effecting things in little wasys to make them better in the long term. Kind of like some interpretations of the Doctor in a lot of regards.

But like the Doctor, people who witness his actions in a linear fashion occasionally find themselves thinking that not helping in the "present" doesn't justify some abstract potential good thing hundreds of years in the future.

For example, he shows up in Whitechapel in 1888, and although Madame X knows that the Stranger could stop Jack the Ripper, he makes no effort to do so... initially. It turns out that Jason Blood (released into the world via Madame Xanadu/Nimue's accidental betrayal of Camelot back in the day) had fathered a child via one of the Ripper's victims, and if the child were to be born then he would be the greatest monster to walk the Earth in human form. PS explains that the murders are the universe's way of ensuring that doesn't happen, which naturally appalls Madame X, tarnishing her opinion of the Stranger even more so.

Once the final victim was dead, the Stranger allowed Jack to fall through an open manhole in the street, break his neck and then get eaten by rats, as although he saw the murders as grimmly necessary, he still thought that they were wrong.

Date: 2012-09-07 12:44 pm (UTC)
kenn_el: Northstar_Hmm (Default)
From: [personal profile] kenn_el
It's an interesting parallel between the two characters in that Xanadu was largely a female version of the Stranger prior to the Vertigo series, which, like the new Stranger, pinpointed her origin as Nimue, yet another 'betrayer' , and had an arc that held her in part responsible for Corrigan's becoming the Spectre. I liked Alan Davis' take in The Nail that had the Stranger and Xanadu as siblings.

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Date: 2012-09-07 03:12 pm (UTC)
randyripoff: (stardust)
From: [personal profile] randyripoff
Much like Wolverine and the Joker, I really dislike the idea of giving the Phantom Stranger any sort of definitive origin.

Date: 2012-09-07 03:32 pm (UTC)
bruinsfan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
Yeah, if there's ONE character that should have been unaffected by the reboot, it should have been him.

Date: 2012-09-07 10:05 pm (UTC)
big_daddy_d: (Default)
From: [personal profile] big_daddy_d
....I got nothing. It just comes off as if The Stranger has to fuck people over in order to be atoned. I really don't see how what became of Corrigan is a good thing.

Date: 2012-09-10 01:53 am (UTC)
jcbaggee: Jesus (Default)
From: [personal profile] jcbaggee
"Hey, I'm working on his DCnU book, what's the appeal of Phantom Stranger?"

"Probably the sense of mystery surrounding his origin. The fans really enjoy it."

"Awesome. I'll just define his origin. That's how these things work, right?"

The problem with DCnU is it's tackling it's reboot the same way Marvel tends to tackle Ultimate: just take an existing character and do the opposite of what the fans are used to. The key difference being the original characters still exist over at Marvel...

Date: 2012-09-13 02:28 pm (UTC)
green_hellfish_of_doom: Ludovica from skydoll (Default)
From: [personal profile] green_hellfish_of_doom
I am hoping this title to be cancelled soon... not only did they try to fix what wasn't broken... they didn't even suceed D:
And the spectre only sounded whiny.
And why the hell the stranger cape which aparentetly he go from Jesus is blue?
And by the way, did anyone else noticed that the gods judging where all gods of thunder? Do you think they will try to connect this with the Marvel Family?


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