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Dying in Dr. Octopus' body, Spidey confronts Ock (in his body) one last time. Peter is unable to transfer his consciousness back, but as his life flashes before his eyes Ock receives them as well via their mental link, with himself in place of Peter in them.

Ock (still in Spidey's body) tells Spidey he doesn't want this, and asks how he can do what Spidey does. Spidey (in Ock's body) tells him that he has to, because with great power...

But "Ock" is dead.

While this will probably last as long as Captain America's death did, I actually like the idea of a (reformed?) Ock as Spider-Man. I think there's a lot of potential with this idea and I'm definitely on board for Superior Spider-Man.

So I'm surprised to say this, but kudos to Slott. I'm looking forward to see where Ock!Spidey goes from here.

EDIT: There's an interesting write-up here.

Date: 2012-12-26 10:23 am (UTC)
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Yeah, it's pretty much exactly what it sounds like. What gets me is how can 700 be so.. BAD.. while Avenging 15.1 is actually good? Different writers, I know, but essentially continuing the same story.

Ok, first off, things about 700 that REALLY ticked me off.

The scene described above
The Dues-Ex-Machina that Slott pulls out of Spidey's head (literally) to prevent a reverse-swap
Trying to sell that Pete is in Doc's body and vice/versa
Paste-Pot Pete(!) identifying brain-swapping tech at a glance!

Ok.. I have some pet theories, possible outs and predictions that I'm going to throw out there. Some of it is from #700 info, and some is from Avenging 15.1.

Have they actually swapped bodies?

My answer is *no*. A 'soul' isn't something you can download and remote transfer! It just dosen't work that way. What I think Ock did was over-think himself. He didn't NEED to overwrite Pete's brain patterns on his own. All he needed to do was over-write his on top of Pete's brain, and have chuckles with himself before his corpse checked out. That out-of-body experience could have just been the Pete-memories firing off and creating a sub-conscious refuge for him when his body was dying.

What if Marvel says *yes* to this, though? There's a possibility in a throw-away panel in 15.1. Sp/Ock is walking into his research lab and a couple scientists who know him greet him at the door. One of them is very excited about an invention he's working on, and I quote...

"Yeah, and I think I found a way to actually catch a ghost and hold it indefinitely!"

It could be a throwaway panel, or it could be Chris Yost (who has me completely sold in his writing of this book, BTW) introducing one possible hook to get the right man back in his brain.

Another page from earlier in the book, Sp/Ock is debating in his head how to dump Mary Jane because she's a distraction. Thinking about her causes a cascade effect of memories and you can smell the utter brain-lock as the images come up. There is a VERY sexy panel (respectfully sexy mind you, not skeevy-sexy) right in the middle of the montage and all he can say is "Dear god, that woman!" "Peter Parker is a fool."

So this raises the spectre of the real Peter's memories, as mentioned by Protogarrett, trying to claw their way back out to the surface. Of course by the time that happens, Sp/Ock will have had all sorts of time to utterly screw with his life. I think 2-3 years out we'll have Pete back in control of his own headspace, but they'll use the time in between to further drive a wedge between him and MJ. This really seems to be the Quesada/Slott directive, hammer that relationship from every angle possible. It might not be until the end of the decade before everything is finally sorted out, and this period will be known as the Black Years in Spider-man history.


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