Date: 2013-01-10 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
I don't really see any, but I do hope that this means that at some point Hickman has planned an all-out slugfest between T'Challa and Namor. That should be really interesting. :D

Date: 2013-01-10 07:38 pm (UTC)
randyripoff: (Josiah X)
From: [personal profile] randyripoff
They've fought before, back when Priest was on the title and everything made sense. It was a similar situation too, and pretty cool, as T'Challa, Namor, Doom and Magneto met to discuss politics.

Date: 2013-01-10 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Any chance this was scanned her or can be? I'd definitely be curious in that.

Date: 2013-01-10 08:23 pm (UTC)
randyripoff: (Butterworm)
From: [personal profile] randyripoff
Let me see if I can locate the relevant issue(s). If so, I'll scan and post.

Date: 2013-01-10 09:00 pm (UTC)
randyripoff: (Falcon)
From: [personal profile] randyripoff
I am scanning the first two issues of this, but unfortunately I never got the finalé. However, it should give you a good idea of what was going on.

Date: 2013-01-10 08:13 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I think Namor is past amusingly arrogant, and well into contemptible scumbag territory here.

He lays waste to the country and the first thing the smug pillock does is condescend to it's ruler, and about the highly dubious "success" of the sodding Illuminati? "In secret, we rule"... like hell you do, or if you do, you have a LOT to answer for.

And definitely not getting any "Foe yay" here, if that means what I think it does.

Date: 2013-01-10 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
This is the guy who's first interaction with the surface world involved him trying to drown New York. I think it's fair to say that he's always been a bit of a contemptible scumbag.

Date: 2013-01-10 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
Namor can't act any other way here. He was possessed. He's not going to admit that weakness, that he was overwhelmed. He's not going to claim he wanted to do it because he really didn't. He can't apologize for actions that weren't fully his and he won't apologize for being weak enough to be possessed.

Date: 2013-01-10 10:54 pm (UTC)
silverhammerman: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
If Cyclops is being held responsible for what he did while possessed then Namor should be as well. Hell, Cyclops actually had more of the Phoenix Force in him when he went crazy, while Namor only had a fifth and up to that point had seemed comparatively in control.
I mean, I would prefer Namor wasn't actually responsible for attacking Wakanda, but it still really annoys me that he would be considered innocent when Cyclops isn't.
Hopefully Hickman will do something with this whole plotline.

Date: 2013-01-10 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
well, I'm against Cyke being held responsible as well.

Date: 2013-01-10 11:59 pm (UTC)
silverhammerman: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
At this point I think pretty much everyone is.

Date: 2013-01-10 10:18 pm (UTC)
ext_502445: (Default)
From: [identity profile]
From the TV Tropes entry:

"So there's these two guys, right? And they spend 95% of their time thinking about each other, what the other one's planning or doing, and whenever they converse their dialogue is incredibly emotionally charged. Fortunately, there's a nice family-friendly explanation: they're arch-enemies, right? Right..."

Namor's not supposed to interact with anybody but T'challa, and T'challa is only going to kill him after his "needs" have been met. *juvenile giggle*

Date: 2013-01-11 12:19 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I think when one of the emotions comes from a perfectly legitimate "You attacked my country and have the blood of innocent people, MY subjects, on your hands", that sort of overcomes any ability to see sexy vibes that I might otherwise have.

Date: 2013-01-10 08:21 pm (UTC)
theflames: The Joker best expression. (Default)
From: [personal profile] theflames
Ugh, Namor... one of those characters who thinks he can get away with anything. Readers seem to think the same...

Date: 2013-01-10 10:30 pm (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
People are willing to give him a break 'cause he killed a lot of Nazis back in World War Two... Admittedly he may have attempted to sink New York (reasoning that all surface dwellers are the same, and that he might as well tsunami NYC in retaliation for Nazis abducting and experimenting on his people) but he went on to do a lot of good work...

...when he wasn't being a supervillain.

Date: 2013-01-11 09:43 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Also he was a member of the Defenders and helped save the world a lot. It's not like the Nazi thing is the extent of his resume.

Date: 2013-01-10 08:24 pm (UTC)
chrisdv: (Default)
From: [personal profile] chrisdv
Namor's just trolling him by the end.

I approve of this. *Thumbs up*

Date: 2013-01-10 08:39 pm (UTC)
greenmask: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greenmask
Namor, do you think you're Dracula? Do you?

Date: 2013-01-10 08:47 pm (UTC)
theflames: The Joker best expression. (Default)
From: [personal profile] theflames
WAIT! Captain America will still work with Namor, but not Scott or Emma?


Date: 2013-01-10 08:54 pm (UTC)
zabilac: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zabilac
Forgive and forget maybe?

Date: 2013-01-10 09:08 pm (UTC)
randyripoff: (howard the duck)
From: [personal profile] randyripoff
Namor is a head of State, unlike Scott and Emma. Unless the UN wants to go to war with Atlantis, he'd pretty much have to be treated with a certain amount of respect and wariness.

Date: 2013-01-10 11:22 pm (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
Scott and Emma are no longer head of State. Because the Avengers attacked them.

Date: 2013-01-10 11:58 pm (UTC)
cainofdreaming: cain's mark (pic#364829)
From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
Next crossover event - Atlantis Defends?

Date: 2013-01-11 05:59 am (UTC)
theflames: The Joker best expression. (Default)
From: [personal profile] theflames
There must be a limit though.

And this isn't about the UN, its the Illuminati - i doubt this is UN sanctioned and Cap is choosing to work with him.

Date: 2013-01-10 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Well, the idea of this book is that almost no one wants to work with each other on this--they're here because they have no choice. Also, I think it's fair to say that since Cap has more history with Namor than with Scott or Emma, he would work better still with Namor than anyone else.

Date: 2013-01-10 10:17 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
why do they have no choice? What's happening that they have to work with each other as the Illuminati instead of just calling everyone in to help?

Date: 2013-01-11 12:46 am (UTC)
mrosa: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrosa
I'm so tired of this everyone-hates-everyone-but-we-stick-together-as-a-team. When did this rubbish become so popular? I just can't believe people who have so much hatred and contempt for each other would work together? When people have so much hatred for each other, they do their best to stay apart and seek the company of people they like.

Date: 2013-01-10 11:21 pm (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
They're war bud. But that guy, Scott? He never liked him.

Date: 2013-01-11 06:10 am (UTC)
theflames: The Joker best expression. (Default)
From: [personal profile] theflames
Ugh, that's gonna grate on me.

Date: 2013-01-10 08:53 pm (UTC)
zabilac: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zabilac
I'm willing to overlook T'Challa's attitude towards Namor since he actually has a pretty good reason to want to kill him.

Namor is just...if there was another reason for me not to like him this would be it.

Date: 2013-01-11 09:29 pm (UTC)
bruinsfan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
I don't think it's inconsistent with his characterization though. Since the 60s he's never been all that concerned with the wellbeing of the surface dweller masses that I can remember - he's tended to ally with super heroes in opposition to his enemies, not out of altruism.


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