Shortpacked vs Frank Miller: Round 6

[starwolf_oakley]

Wednesday's Shortpacked had another Frank Miller joke. As usual, it is on-point. I, however, go off-point with idle thoughts about "Dark Knight Rises."





Seeing Ellen Yindel was the inspiration for Ellen Yin in "The Batman." A good cop who just doesn't like the idea of a masked vigilante.

I've wondered if Ellen Yin would have worked as a rookie cop in "Dark Knight Rises" instead of John Blake. We could get a better explanation than "Bruce Wayne seemed sad, and I realized Batman would be sad too." Also, we find out her legal first name is Cassandra.

Comments

[aravis]

You realise the reason Batman had a point is because MIller wrote it that way. That's kinda the point, really.

[mrstatham]

Yes, but it's contrasted in the actual story with stuff like the Joker only coming back and becoming murderous again because Batman reappears. It's been a while since I've read TDKR, but I still remember there being more balance to it than just Batman winning in a strawman fashion. And really, the argument could be applied to any superhero story where the lead makes a compelling argument that sets him up as a leader or puts him into opposition against authority. Miller's just an easy target because he rants online about the people who are his bread and butter.

[crinos]

Its also because TDKR was from before Frank Millers "Raving jackass" period.

[cainofdreaming]

That kinda throws out anything written then, and not just by Miller, yes?

[sadoeuphemist]

Yes. All fiction, and even some non-fiction, cannot be defended by saying "they have a point, because that's how things are in the story." The point is that the entire narrative is constructed by the author to begin with, so trying to defend the author's ideas by referencing the author's ideas is just going around in circles.

[aravis]

That doesn't mean fiction can't have a point. You just can't say they have a point because "Well, the story says...". It has to be on a more.... uhm... Philosophical level. Oh dang, that sounds so pretentious, but it's true...