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Bruce told his girlfriend Natalya his secret identity last issue with feeling guilty about lying to her all the time. Apparently Natalya takes the fact that her boyfriend is Batman pretty well? As she goes back to the Batcave again to visit Batman and talk some more, then Bruce flies her in the Batplane to her recital. Turns out though, one of Hatter's hat guys hechman sees the Batplane drop her off.

Which he alerts Hatter. Once the crazy tea sipper starts to watch the feed, he notices Natalya and thinks she's the perfect woman for the part of Alice.








Bruce finds Gordon and cops at Natalya's place and immediately tells Alfred to start tracking her, as he'd bugged her earlier. Well, Natalya is getting the ever living shit beaten out of her refusing to give up Bruce. So, Hatter puts her in a helicopter, continuing to have her beaten, while Bruce tries to reach her. Since she refuses to give up Batman's identity, Hatter finally has no more use for her and drops her out of the helicopter with her landing flat on the Batsignal, Bruce just barely missing her.


Date: 2013-05-23 04:02 pm (UTC)
neurotic_kitten: (Default)
From: [personal profile] neurotic_kitten
Is there some unscripted rule that says that Bruce can't have a girlfriend unless she know he's Batman?

Date: 2013-05-23 05:43 pm (UTC)
filthysize: (Default)
From: [personal profile] filthysize
Decency, I guess. For him to be dating someone and keeping that a secret is pretty gross and inconsiderate.

Date: 2013-05-24 06:06 am (UTC)
jaybee3: Nguyen Lil Cass (Default)
From: [personal profile] jaybee3
I guess - for the writers - the difference between being a "true" love of Bruce's life and just another girl is whether she knows the big secret. Of course you can probably count on one hand the number who Bruce has told (Silver figured it out herself and so did Vicki Vale AFTER the relationship was long over) like Selina (pre-reboot), Talia, Sasha Bourdeux, Shondra Kinsolving, Jezebel Jet (though that was a set-up). Something tells me Natalya though is going to last less than any of them. The DCnU is not really into long-term committed relationships (is Aquaman/Mera the only one left?).

Date: 2013-05-23 04:04 pm (UTC)
drexer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] drexer
So, which of you guys at DC ordered the fridge? Someone needs to sign for it.

>_>

Date: 2013-05-23 04:05 pm (UTC)
protogarrett: (Default)
From: [personal profile] protogarrett
I have two reactions.

1. Oh no, not whatshername!? She had such... uh, depth? Honestly, I have no idea who this is and why Bruce suddenly trusted her with his identity. I thought he was busy with alienating people in all the other books and being upset with Damien's death?

2. Well, she's dead and buried in her fridge.

3. BONUS THOUGHT! Is this a Daredevil book?

Date: 2013-05-23 04:33 pm (UTC)
auggie18: (Default)
From: [personal profile] auggie18
Thank you. I've only vaguely been following the Bat books, but I had no idea who this woman was.

Date: 2013-05-24 07:16 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
She's basically only been in Hurwitz's run on The Dark Knight.

Date: 2013-05-23 05:30 pm (UTC)
korvar: (Default)
From: [personal profile] korvar
Must say, she proved worthy of his trust :( Fridgy fridgy fridge :(

Date: 2013-05-23 09:15 pm (UTC)
theflames: The Joker best expression. (Default)
From: [personal profile] theflames
Batman Dark Night is meant to be a set of stories that don't go along with current continuity, I think.

Date: 2013-05-26 06:28 pm (UTC)
milleniumrex: (Default)
From: [personal profile] milleniumrex
No, that's Legends of the Dark Knight. This title is in continuity, although it's the one Bat-book that doesn't make much of an effort to sync up. This issue reference Damian dying recently, though.

Date: 2013-05-26 06:30 pm (UTC)
theflames: The Joker best expression. (Default)
From: [personal profile] theflames
Ohhhhh, haha you can see where I got mixed up with the similar titles. Well, this is pretty shoddy then.

Date: 2013-05-26 06:32 pm (UTC)
milleniumrex: (Default)
From: [personal profile] milleniumrex
It really is. It's not as flashy bad as some of the New 52's other trainwrecks (the new Superboy, the Liefeld era, The Culling), but in terms of poor characterization, I think this might be the worst story the DCU has done since Superman: Grounded and Rise of Arsenal.

Date: 2013-05-23 04:25 pm (UTC)
benuben: (Default)
From: [personal profile] benuben
Of course. Of course they did. To be fair, it is pretty damn horrible and atmospheric, without becoming grotesquely violent and grim (maybe except that last panel), but Jesus Christ this was cliche in freaking 80's, especially for Batman. I get it, Batman is (and in my opinion should) supposed to be dark, but how about we try to be slightly creative? Atleast a little bit?

Date: 2013-05-24 07:18 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
And the arc they've been doing with The Mad Hatter HAS been pretty interesting so far, but the whole reveal of the secret identity up to the death here was pretty much jumping the shark in super-slo-mo.

Date: 2013-05-23 04:36 pm (UTC)
lucean: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lucean
I am conflicted by this. I do like the atmosphere it creates and it was pretty obvious the woman would die the moment she learned who Batman was. However, at the same time, I am somewhat confused why someone who specializes in mind control technology feels the need to try to beat out the information from someone. And even the torture just kind of seems, I don't know, average, without any creativity or horror that you associate with the Gotham freaks. Not a complaint, just perhaps a bit surprised that was all, although the woman does seem badass in not breaking and the art makes it work to me.

Will have to see where it goes.

Date: 2013-05-23 04:59 pm (UTC)
crinos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crinos
Well, IIRC, Hatter's mind control works by shutting off your higher brain functions and letting him order your body around like a puppet. He can't just hypnotize someone into telling him what he wants to know.

Also: Really DC? We're still doing crap like this? Really?

Date: 2013-05-23 05:13 pm (UTC)
lucean: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lucean
Yeah, I knew he couldn't make her just tell him, but something mind control related would have been appreciated here.

Date: 2013-05-23 06:12 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
AFAIK Hatter's tech has varied from story to story, he can control, but he's proven able to download memories and the like before.

Date: 2013-05-23 07:43 pm (UTC)
grazzt: (Default)
From: [personal profile] grazzt
Or put her into a fantasy world. I think Hatter's used that before, in both comics and the cartoon.

Date: 2013-05-23 08:15 pm (UTC)
crinos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crinos
Well in the Cartoon he had Batman in one of those dream machines and wasn't able to find out his secret ID, since he was outside the machine....

...Which made not one lick of sense now that I think about it: I mean he was communicating with Bruce before he woke up, he must have been monitoring the dream somehow (Or was that just the machine representing the Hatter of gaaah too confusing.)

And for that matter, why didn't Hatter just take Bats mask off while he had him unconscious?

Date: 2013-05-23 08:36 pm (UTC)
grazzt: (Default)
From: [personal profile] grazzt
I assume the Hatter communicating with Bruce was part of Bruce's subconscious, and not the actual Jervis Tetch.

Still, you could put her into a fantasy world and see if she gives off any hints. Put her into a fantasy where Batman rescues her, for instance, and see if she calls him by his given name.

Actually, that doesn't need a sci-fi fantasy machine. All that requires would be a guy in a reasonably good Batman suit, plus a subject who was somewhat groggy, say from the beatings we saw her receive in this post.

Damn it, I would make a better super-villain than half of these guys. I wonder what that says about me?

Date: 2013-05-23 09:01 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
As I rcall the episode, the Hatter says that the Hatter in the dream world was a copy of himself, but that he was not able to communicate with the outside world.

Date: 2013-05-24 08:36 am (UTC)
thatnickguy: Oreo-lovin' Martian (Default)
From: [personal profile] thatnickguy
I wonder if there's ever been a comparison of dead girlfriend numbers between Batman and Daredevil.

Date: 2013-05-23 06:18 pm (UTC)
freezer: (Bored Now)
From: [personal profile] freezer
One the one hand: it was clear she was a goner the moment Bruce picked up the idiot ball and dropped her off at work in the Batjet.

On the other hand: Brutal Fridging.

And, of course, Bats will beat the shit out of a ton of mooks, bounch Tetch around a bit, then drop him right back Arkham just in time for the next storyline.

Pass.

Edited: For all kinds of inappropriate icon
Edited Date: 2013-05-23 06:23 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-05-23 06:41 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Disappointed that makes the Hatter just another brutally violent bastard, as if Gotham didn't have a dozen others to fill that role, as opposed to a calculating schemer.

I really do hate to carp again, but BTAS gave us a dangerous, creepy Hatter who also managed to by almost genuinely sympathetic, who tried to stop Batman by giving him everything he might ever have wanted. Not just another killer.

And the violence to a newly introduced female character is both obectionable and just... lazy.

Date: 2013-05-23 08:21 pm (UTC)
crinos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crinos
See, I recall the Secret Six mini, which had Hatter single handedly take down the entire Doom Patrol with his mind control powers...

...And then went on to give himself an orgasm with his hats, which is the only thing anyone else remembers from that comic.

Date: 2013-05-23 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
This version of the Hatter seems to be "violence to female characters" incarnate. He's been enslaving, murdering and raping for how many issues now? Meh.

Date: 2013-05-23 10:48 pm (UTC)
lissa_quon: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lissa_quon
Fabulous characterization choice for a guy with the Alice in Wonderland obsession. I dunno - for some reason I sort of picture most folks who have Alice in Wonderland obsessions to put ladies on some sort of ivory tower. Guess I'm following the original Charles Dodgson model.

I can see the enslaving and the kidnapping and maybe murder if "Alice" isn't behaving like he thinks she should (more of a last resort cause his fantasy or illusion is broken). But I dunno sort of picture Tetch with some sort of warped chivalry intact.

But this is the NuDC so I'm clearly stupid.

Date: 2013-05-24 06:37 am (UTC)
benuben: (Default)
From: [personal profile] benuben
Definitely. I can't believe the author looked at this and said "yeah, nothing cliche or unintentionally uncomfortable about this".

Date: 2013-05-24 07:24 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Some pretty brutal stuff, but I have to admit--the first issue of this arc, where there's a full sequence of Hatter picking up a step-stool, placing it in front of one of his goons, stepping onto it and then just breaking the guy's neck did make me laugh.

The interesting thing about this Hatter, though, is that there is some interesting pathos here. This was a guy who wasn't immediately abused or hated because of his looks. Even when he was in high school, no one hated or really picked on Tetch for his height. However, he still hated his physical short-comings and did something drastic and far more damaging than he could have ever imagined.

That's what's bothering me about this issue--this whole run has been an interesting look at Batman and his rogues gallery, but this whole sub-plot just ended in a VERY lazy way.

Date: 2013-05-24 06:46 am (UTC)
benuben: (Default)
From: [personal profile] benuben
What's that word you use when you are suprised how unsuprising something was?

Date: 2013-05-23 09:01 pm (UTC)
rainspirit: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rainspirit
Boring.

Date: 2013-05-23 09:41 pm (UTC)
joetuss: (Default)
From: [personal profile] joetuss
Why in the hell would bruce drop her off in his batman persona?...bad writing :/

Date: 2013-05-23 09:46 pm (UTC)
silverhammerman: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
So is Natalya actually Eastern European? Because it would weirdly cliche if she was yet another Eastern European woman who'd been tortured in the past and was now super tough. Like, it's cool that she's tough, but it seems predictable.

Also boo for fridging and boring murder-y villains.

Date: 2013-05-24 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] md84
Bruce has a girlfriend who isn't Catwoman? Yeah, she was doomed. At least she went out like a champ, resisting Hatter's mind control to the bitter end.

Date: 2013-05-24 02:22 am (UTC)
beoweasel: (Default)
From: [personal profile] beoweasel
Because we needed Batman to angst over someone's death BESIDES Damien's.

Date: 2013-05-24 03:51 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] md84
I was thinking about listing every traumatic thing Bruce has endured over the years, but then I realized it would be too depressing. And that's not even counting alternate universe shenanigans (Vampire Batman anyone?).

Date: 2013-05-24 11:33 am (UTC)
zapbiffpow: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
That's what Darkseid should do: take every traumatic thing Batman's ever experienced and cram it into a god-bullet for instant, simultaneous delivery.



Date: 2013-05-24 02:46 am (UTC)
lieut_kettch: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lieut_kettch
Shouldn't the ever-paranoid Batgod be above such things as allowing himself to be spotted dropping off his girlfriend with the Batplane?

Also:

Edited Date: 2013-05-24 02:48 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-05-24 04:14 am (UTC)
lieut_kettch: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lieut_kettch
This is why he should stick with Selina, Talia, Diana or Zee. Tetch attempts to kidnap one of them and he winds up eating through a straw for the next three months.

Date: 2013-05-24 07:32 am (UTC)
lbd_nytetrayn: Star Force Dragonzord Power! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
Thank goodness they've done something to harden the book up. It was just too happy and cheerful and fun before. Maybe now Batman can be the hardass badass we all know he's capable of being.

Date: 2013-05-24 08:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] blunderbuss
My reaction is trapped between 'siiiiiigh' and 'zzzzzz'.

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