Date: 2014-09-15 01:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] razsolo
I knew it was gonna be that scene! Alan Davis + X-Men = the best ^_^

Date: 2014-09-15 06:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I have a post coming up you should like then! :)

Date: 2014-09-16 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
"I CAN'T GEHHT DROONK CAUZAMY MOOTANT POWR WON' LET ME. See, Havok, see, Havok, listen here, Havok, listen, okay, you listening? I GOT A HEALING FACTOR. THA'MEANS BOOZE DOES NUTHINNA ME SO I DONNO WHY I EVN DREENK IT. And thassa most explica-- expleti-- explanation I've ever given anyone. 'CAUSE Y'ALL KNOW, IF THERE'S ONE THING I HATE DOIN', IT'S TELLIN' PEOPLE 'BOUT MY HEALIN' FACTOR AN' EVRYTHANG IT DUZ. Sherioushly, talkin' bout my cool pow'rs that make me almosh unkillable and more totally awesometacular than any o' you guys? It'sh the WORST."

Date: 2014-09-15 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] night4345
Why does Havok's shirt say Xavier's? Do they make t-shirts to promote the school?
Also Wolverine should wear that hat more often.
Edited Date: 2014-09-15 01:43 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-09-15 02:05 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Katie Cook Doug)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Xavier's is a school, so yes, they would have plenty of clothing marked as such I would thing, for excursions, and for inter-school sports events and the like... if the New Mutants had ever participated in such a thing.. which I don't think they did... which seems a shame... which makes me think of a plot bunny for a fic.

Date: 2014-09-15 05:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
See, this is one of those things where the status of Xavier's as a school prior to Morrison really confuses me - prior to that, were they basically just a secret school for mutants that operated under the guise of being a private school or something like that?

Date: 2014-09-15 06:08 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Katie Cook Doug)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
It was always a school, a privately run institute for "Gifted Youngsters", where Xavier offered scholarships to young mutants of his choosing; high school and/or college as appropriate.

In terms of actual gifted youngsters (in the traditional sense), the original team had Hank who WAS a genius at biology and biochemistry.

The All New X-Men hadn't really got anyone who was "Gifted", or even school age (though their ages were always slightly open to interpretation) until Kitty came along and she was both high school age and a certified genius in the areas of applied technology and computer science (especially computer hardware) (John Byrne apparently hated this idea, he wanted Kitty to be perfectly normal intellect wise, but Claremont wanted her to be a genius too... or it might be the other way around).

The New Mutants eventually had Doug, who was definitely a genuis in languages (all of them) and computer programming, though since his power was intuitive he'd have had trouble explaining his outcomes properly.

The rest of the team(s) would probably have had a bit of difficulty justifying why they were at a school for "Gifted Youngsters" beyond "Xavier took pity on me".

Xaviers did, IIRC, promise appropriate educational opportunities to all its students regardless of intellect, and brought in college specialists for specific cases like Kitty. The New Mutants certainly got regular homework along with their mutant power training.

Date: 2014-09-15 06:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] halloweenjack
Yep--a very exclusive, very non-traditional school. The movie illustrated the basic idea very well by putting the superhero-headquarters stuff behind secret doors. (After seeing the movie, I wondered if they had a "fire drill"-type exercise in which the odder-looking students, and maybe Rogue, had to disappear in case some state bureaucrat showed up to do a surprise inspection, and how it felt to be someone in that "Code X" group.)

Date: 2014-09-16 11:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deceptioncat
Are you kidding? Xavier probably just mind-raped any inspectors into thinking that everything is perfectly normal. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if his school has been on the receiving end of numerous awards over the years.

Date: 2014-09-17 01:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] halloweenjack
Xavier May be ruthless, but he's not dumb; why risk exposing the school to someone with a latent psychic shield?

Date: 2014-09-15 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
This opens the scary possibility that Wolverine acts like that when sober...

Date: 2014-09-15 02:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Yes, that's my only issue with this scene; Wolverine has just said he can't get drunk because of his powers, which means he's probably never been drunk in his entire life, or at least since puberty kicked in... which means he's effectively a non-drinker play acting at being drunk... in front of a bunch of people who now know he's play-acting.... so what the hell is the point of him still play-acting then? It just seems... weird, rather than tragically sad.

Date: 2014-09-15 02:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sadoeuphemist
Or, he is drunk and he's just lying about it.

Date: 2014-09-15 02:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Alcohol immunity makes too much sense given the nature of his powers.

If he can process refined snake venom (and whatever other delights that Lady Viper has thrown at him over the years) in short order, alcohol would be a walk in the park, and his powers are always working, as he's never been shown to be able to switch them off at will.

Date: 2014-09-15 02:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ozaline
Yeah, I'll take the scene about getting drunk in the Captain America movie over this one any day. Does he just want to act a little silly? Does pretending to be drunk distract from his troubles? I don't quite get it.

Date: 2014-09-15 02:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sadoeuphemist
But why would he even drink if alcohol didn't have any effect on him at all? I think he can get drunk, there's just a limit to how drunk he can get and how long it lasts.

Date: 2014-09-15 02:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
He just likes the taste of beer more than soft drinks, and it starts fewer bar fights than drinking soft drinks would in the sort of bars he frequents?

Date: 2014-09-15 11:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fredneil.livejournal.com
The idea of someone drinking beer for the taste is incomprehensible to me, even if there are such people, and I'd think "starting fewer bar fights" would be a drawback to him.

Date: 2014-09-15 03:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I think I might have been referring to this story without actually re-reading it in a while (So got "Can't" and "Can, but for less than a minute" mixed up), since I can't think of any other stories I know discussing his inebriation potential.

Shame those images aren't still there, I have no memory of that posting at all.]

Certainly getting drunk would be such a fleeting thing for him, the question remains, what's the point?

Date: 2014-09-15 06:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] halloweenjack
Or he's imitating drunk people because it amuses him.

Date: 2014-09-15 07:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] burkeonthesly
I've always taken this scene as Wolverine being in the "dude, I'm totally okay to drive" level of drunk. He's not falling-down drunk, but he's drunk enough to think he's not drunk. And if oblique references in Exiles and elsewhere are any indication, it takes a truly hellacious amount of alcohol to get him there. So he's probably wearing a trench in the floor between his usual seat at the local bar and the men's room on a night like this.

I'd say the "instantly processing any poison" is an exaggeration. It's not like his wounds close literally instantly (depending on the writer, of course), and other toxins he's exposed to do at least have some initial impact from which he has to bounce back. Okay, he doesn't die from concentrated snake venom or whatever, but there's not really a visual shorthand to tell us how much he's being affected by it from moment to moment. For all we know, he's suffering through partial effects of those poisons, too, he's just not falling-down-dead because he's Wolverine and fighting on while badly hurt is slightly more than half of his characterization.

Date: 2014-09-16 03:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lilacsigil
At the level of his powers around this time, I think he would be able to get drunk for a short period of time if he put some effort in. So I think this scene is the buzz wearing off.

Date: 2014-09-15 04:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] siliconshaman
Placebo effect, he only thinks he's drunk.

Either that, or he's related in some way to Captain Jack Sparrow...

Date: 2014-09-15 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] xakko
I think he'd been pounding the heavy stuff on top of the placebo effect. This was still "could die from enough damage" Wolverine, although, IIRC, this issue is the source of the infamous "regenerate from a single cell" meme (even if it made sense in context)

Date: 2014-09-15 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] lonewolf23k
Logan's healing factor does metabolize alcohol very quickly. So when he REALLY wants to get drunk, he has to get the 100% stuff like rubbing alcohol. It just gets him slightly plastered.

On the upside, he never has to worry about hangovers.

Date: 2014-09-15 02:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
On the upside, he never has to worry about hangovers.

Or he just has them at a lower level the entire time he's drinking.

Date: 2014-09-15 02:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
This is probably part of the reason why, when Logan's healing factor went on the fritz the first time, he found out that he's a cheap date. Can't build a tolerance if you can't get drunk in the first place.

Date: 2014-09-15 03:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
It would be interesting to see powerless Logan deal with some of the things that he hasn't had to deal with in decades... like a cold, or a hangover.. or a migraine. He's used to pain that is most likely extreme, but is fleeting and heals almost instantly, take that away from him and he might be something of a baby.

Date: 2014-09-16 02:58 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] philippos42
I knew what scene this was from the tags!

Date: 2014-09-16 11:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chrisdv
Maybe Xavier's drunk & his telepathy is transferring the drunkeness to Logan?

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