ILLUMINATI: T'Challa was right.

[starwolf_oakley]

Here are some pages from the 2006 Illuminati One-Shot.





At first glance, the Illuminati didn't seem like a bad idea. Members of the major teams get together and trade notes. Not a bad thing. Then we find out nobody else knows about this little group and what they do. And THEN we find out the Illuminati can't do anything right.



This annoys me. Now, Maria Hill doesn't *say* these people and dog are dead. But even injured, it is a big deal.
Maybe she's lying to see if Iron Man and Co. will do something to "get rid" of the Hulk. (A theory I think a fanfiction story once used, to be honest.)



Oh, well, Spider-Man won't kill Osborn because... reasons. I remember when only the Punisher and Wolverine would kill people. Then things got more morally flexible in the Marvel Universe. They are still strong with Spider-Man not killing anything. Whatculture.com has ten times Spider-Man killed someone, though. The only ones who came back were Gog and Morlun, IIRC.



Xavier (who is absent) said that if Bruce Banner could kill himself, he would have done so years ago.
Does Bendis hate the Hulk or something? Is the Hulk a part of the Marvel Universe no one really understands?

http://whatculture.com/comics/10-things-marvel-wants-you-to-forget-about-the-hulk.php/11

Aside from Namor, all the others vote yes on shooting the Hulk into space. Namor starts threatening, and Tony says they are all warriors and all willing to fight for what they believe in.

NAMOR: You're a warrior. I'm a king.
TONY: Not up here you're not.

Namor and Tony fight underwater, with Namor ripping off Tony's helmet.



Yes, this kept the Hulk out of CIVIL WAR and PLANET HULK was great. Still, it makes the Illuminati look like they can't do anything right. And then the ILLUMINATI miniseries made it *clear* they can't do anything right. Then Steve Rogers and Hank McCoy joined the ILLUMINATI and again, nothing right.

Comments

[locuatico]

an issue of red she-hulk had betty try to do that to stop the end of the world...the result is betty becomes red she-Hulk before time and Bruce becomes evil and creates an army of robots for the government and they have to fix the timeline and that was aorund the time i got bored with the comic......

[glprime]

Eeeeeeeegggggg-xactly. And a federal SHIELD agent voices this to Maria Hill?

"And you didn't fire or demote that guy? Fury would've. You're terrible at your job, Maria."

Not Spidey's gig to do that. Anyone who knows Peter (especially folks that dirty their hands like Nick Fury or Wolverine) knows he doesn't act a vigilante to go the full mile, he does this work to step in when innocent people are threatened and 1) he can make a difference or 2) the police/authorities are overpowered by metahumans. But he's not in it to take justice into his own hands, "judge, jury and executioner" style.

So that kind of strawman argument should always be struck down as asinine, not "valid from a certain point of view." 'Cuz it's not, Bendis.

[starwolf_oakley]

Actually... Age of Ultron was remarkably similar to The 05 X-Men coming to the present.
In Age of Ultron, Hawkeye grouses that the end of the world is all Hank Pym's fault, and saying he didn't *mean* to create Ultron doesn't make it better. So the time machine is fired up.
At some point Iceman said, "I wish Scott could look at who he used to be and understand..." Or something like that. And that was what gave Hank the "bring the 05 to the present" idea. Which everyone agrees was really stupid. Even the 05, even though they didn't want to go back to their time (at first) and now *can't* because of Timey-Wimey reasons.

[starwolf_oakley]

Gah, I still remember the disgusting interviews whenever Tom Brevoort tried to sell this crap, but I don't think any writer involved, for one minute, believed they were writing the best solution to any scenario.

Got a link or something to that?
"Links or it didn't happen!"

[tugrul]

lol.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/marvel-vp-explains-captain-america-civil-war-avengers/story?id=26552386

"What we tried to do was create a situation in which both sides had a point of view you could look at and go that's legitimate. It's the same sort of thing right now the conversation about Ebola and the quarantine of doctors ... There was no real absolute right or wrong answer. That's what made Civil War such a compelling story for people. It wasn't white hat versus black hat, it was good guy versus good guy."