Date: 2009-07-02 05:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I feel a "I'm the god damn Batman" moment coming in this book somewhere down the line.

Date: 2009-07-02 06:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yeah, me too. Trouble is, I feel it coming on from Damian. And that's terrible.

Date: 2009-07-02 11:53 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-07-02 05:30 am (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Worried Bruce)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
Dammit, was just about to post this! Oh well, you got one of the pages I had, so I don't have to cut anything at least.

Date: 2009-07-02 05:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'm torn with this comic. I'm interested, and appreciate the art even if it isn't completely to my taste. Can't decide whether to keep buying it or wait for the trade. Probably the latter.

Date: 2009-07-02 05:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I already promised my father I wouldn't kill. Now I have to be nice to the police as well?

Hee hee hee. Oh, Damien. Shut the hell up. Hee hee hee.

Date: 2009-07-02 05:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Batman and Robin should Act Right or Gordon will hunt them down? WTF?

Dick sure is all about the circus lingo in this title so far.
And didn't know dominoes were called bones until Alfred told him.

Date: 2009-07-02 05:54 am (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Damian Wayne)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
I got the impression that Dick isn't sure Gordon knows it's him, only that it isn't Bruce, so he could be mistaken for some silly impersonator.
Also Damian's volatility could easily attract the Jim's ire, and kind of did.

Date: 2009-07-02 06:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
King Rockwell, I like you very much, but oh, please.

If Gordon really thought random vigilantes were running around Gotham he'd totally shut them down in a minute.

Gordon knows it's Batpeople. Otherwise he wouldn't be even entertaining the idea.

Date: 2009-07-02 06:30 am (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Bruce & Dick)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
Ah, there's the thing though, I never said it was Gordon who thinks that, but that Dick thinks Gordon might think that. Or even better, Dick wants Damian to think Gordon thinks that! The vibe I'm getting is Gordon definitely doesn't like Damian (who does?) but hasn't shut him down because he's trusting Dick to handle him. Whether that's meta-ironic or not I haven't decided, though I'd imagine that's the same position held by a large percentage of readers (at least the ones that aren't explicitly anti-Damian).

Date: 2009-07-02 07:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]

Who does, indeed? Until Damian makes his great sacrifice after the death of Dick, Tim or... hmm (I guess) possibly Alfred. But there will be some big turning point where we, the reader, after watching Damian struggle and be obnoxious, will be emotionally disposed (should we take the challenge) to care about Damian as a hero.

I hear you on the meta-ironic. Time will tell, as usual. Damn you, comics!

Date: 2009-07-02 07:21 am (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Worried Bruce)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
I just hope the reason we start caring about Damian is because he learns a bit of humility and starts working to earn the respect he now expects from people immediately. If it's a change in scenario without a change in character, I will take back everything I've said to defend this series.

Date: 2009-07-02 07:22 am (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Damian Wayne)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
Except the art. I'll still love the art.

Date: 2009-07-02 07:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I just hope the reason we start caring about Damian is because he learns a bit of humility and starts working to earn the respect he now expects from people immediately.

Yes. I think that's absolutely what we'll see. It's what we're being set up for as we speak.

That's it entirely.

And then someone in the batfamily will be in peril and he'll have to make a decision and so on and so on.

And through great loss of someone like Dick, he'll grow and become the best Batperson ever.

This is the trajectory I see.

Date: 2009-07-02 07:31 am (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Worried Bruce)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
I really hope not. We've already lost Bruce, that should be enough!
And I'd think Didio would've learned his lesson last time he tried to kill Dick. If he does it again, the guy'll never get his luggage anywhere!

Date: 2009-07-02 07:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Okay, that made me laugh.

Date: 2009-07-02 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
That made my day!

Date: 2009-07-02 06:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I hadn't read that, I approve.

Also, say what you like about Didio, he's stood up and taken his knocks on that decision many times over. Kudos to him for that.

Date: 2009-07-02 06:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Is it wrong to wish a curb-stomping on a ten-year old?

Date: 2009-07-02 07:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yes, it is.

However, seeing as how it's the exception that makes the rule...

Date: 2009-07-02 07:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
If wanting Damien to get curb-stomped is wrong then I don't want to be right.

Date: 2009-07-02 10:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
That kid...needs to meet someone scarier. I smell Joker fodder.

Date: 2009-07-13 05:18 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
He already has. His name is Killer Croc.

Date: 2009-07-02 07:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'm not torn at all. I think this is great fun. I'll just put it this way: I'm in it for the creators. I usually am. If I were in it for the characters, I'd never have picked up Supreme.

I love the Elderish touch with the "Smash" in the cracks. And that we seem to now be rendering Quitely's pencil's literally. The texture is awesome.

Date: 2009-07-02 07:28 am (UTC)
ext_396558: (Default)
From: [identity profile]
Me too. Following the stories and creators is way more fun than following the characters only.

Although I don't think I've ever enjoyed any Robin more than Damian.

Date: 2009-07-02 07:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Put it this way. No Morrison? Didn't buy X-Men, didn't care(in fact, always hated X-Men). With Morrison? Even bought ones with(ech)Silvestri. No Morrison? Forgot they existed.

No Morrison? Hadn't bought any Bat comics since 1990. With Morrison? Etc. And so forth.

I have nothing invested in continuity. I'm only interested in seeing how he plays with it. They're only corporate franchises that will be right back to the way they were once he's done. None of this actually matters. It's just fun. If done by talented people like these two. Otherwise, couldn't really give a crap.

Date: 2009-07-02 11:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Oh good god...NOT THE CIRCUS JIVE! *sporffle* Although....although it would be absolutely hilarious if he spoke like that for an entire issue. I think I might just die.

Date: 2009-07-02 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I have such a love for the circus jive it's not even funny.

Date: 2009-07-02 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Oh, it's the best. I spent most of this last month working and training at the circus and picked up a little more - nobody actually uses it SERIOUSLY any more (apart from basic equiptment/act terms and the like), though that's probably because a lot of it comes from Romani curse words (or just plain made up for convienience), and in the U.S. at least the circus community has become very diversified. Most likely you'll just get beat up for trying to use it (or, if lucky, a pie in the face..).

...Er, pardon. I tend to ramble about such things. O_o

Date: 2009-07-02 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
And you know Dick would love a chance to use it for fun because hee! Funny words! I think canonically the only time he really uses it seriously is just in that way, technical equipment/act terms. ::sigh:: If Tim were here he'd probably be using it just to make Tim roll his eyes.

Date: 2009-07-02 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Of course, in such an issue SOMEONE would have to refer to "jive turkey" and the disco-collar would have to make a cameo.

*nods* Needs to happen.

Date: 2009-07-02 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Oh Damian...

Can somebody find the Joker a crowbar?

Date: 2009-07-02 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
People hate Damian now, but all it's going to take is one woobie moment...when he loses his favorite blanket or crushes on Spoiler...and then the lovefest will begin.

Me? I liked Amadeus Cho back when he was all, "D00d, I pwn3d joor jellycarrier! W00t!" Characters who drip with the egotism of an unchecked child prodigy make me smile. That said, Damien's a joke without a punchline.

Date: 2009-07-02 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
*skips in with his favorite blanket, Spoiler locked in the back with Tim, and a crowbar* Sorry, what was that?

Date: 2009-07-02 08:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Some of us love Damian already, without any redeeming woobie moments. I have a soft spot for evil child prodigies, especially ones who take such unrestrained delight in being absolute terrors. There's nothing wrong with having an abrasive character in the Bat-family. Tim, Dick & Alfred are all great characters, but they all get along very well. You need someone narky & abrasive to create an interesting book, and Damian certainly is narky & abrasive.

(Also, I love his little hooded cape. Damians' outfit is by far my favourite of all the Robin-costumes)

Date: 2009-07-03 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
With respect, I wouldn't say that at all. Having everyone all happy-happy-joy-joy is not likely to make for a lasting comic, I agree, but 'narky and abrasive' is not something I would say is a necessity. See, the thing with abrasiveness is that it ABRADES, and just speaking personally, a sandpaper-and-razor-blades personality like Damien is not my idea of a necessity for a book. Damien ticks me off; he may not tick YOU off, and that's fine, but the fact remains that Jason Todd got KILLED BY THE FANS for being waaaaaay less abrasive than this. That should say something. I mean, I see what you're getting at, but I would say that a grouch, grump, cynic, or acerbic witty type is far more necessary than an abrasive type, for the simple reason that there's only so far that you can go with a person like that.

Date: 2009-07-02 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
If you think everyone hates Damian now you may need to venture outside of scans_daily and its affiliates. While he's no fandom darling he does have his supporters and enthusiasts at places like CBR.

Also, some of us have liked him from the get-go, as has been stated.

Arrgh, typos

Date: 2009-07-02 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Oh, sure. I'm just thinking back to others characters who started out as little shits...Stargirl, Amadeus Cho...who are now darlings of the comic world now that they've been "matured" or such. I'm sure Damian has some fans now, but I'd wager he'll have more once his spirit is broken and he has something to angst about.

Date: 2009-07-02 10:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I like Damian. Particularly given his overconfidence produces not only learning opportunities, but nasty story turns.

An overconfident character prone to getting in over his head is, to me, a good story engine.

Date: 2009-07-03 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Do you even have to leave S_D to find Damian love? It doesn't seem like he's universally hated here.

Date: 2009-07-03 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
No, you're right, I don't think there is a character who is universally reviled anywhere, however the reaction to the character (and 'Batman & Robin' in general) seems to be significantly more negative at scans_daily compared to many other sites. I don't hear quite as many crowbar comments elsewhere, for example. I have no idea why that is.

Date: 2009-07-03 12:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Oh god.. Fat Samurai Ballerina. Oh. My. Fucking. God!!
I'd totally buy the hell out of this book even if it was just Quitely drawing page upon page of weird ass Bat-Villains.

Date: 2009-07-03 03:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Oh, Damian. You are so very, very wrong. I mean, what do you think your dad DOES all night? Just hit people?

Date: 2009-07-03 03:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
LOVE the Fat Samurai Ballerina! Also, I like that Damian LOOKS 10, some artists make him look indistinguishable from Tim, which is bad enough when Tim can look like Jason, who looks like Dick, who looks like Bruce.

Can't these damn Bat-boys dye their hair or something?

Date: 2009-07-03 02:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
That's what I especially love about him getting thrown into a wall, because even though I know comics are never completely realistic at all about fighting, I like being reminded that the best 10-year-old fighter still doesn't have the body weight or muscle mass to cause that much damage in that way.

Date: 2009-07-03 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Man, Damian is such a spoiled brat.

Date: 2009-07-03 11:33 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The most annoying thing about Damian is, as you read him, you just can hear Grant Morrison chuckling to himself about how radical and edgy he is.


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