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"I think to have Nine interact with the others would utterly ruin his story. How much extra hope could they give him? [...] I like the feeling of that one season, complete, without intrusions..." -- Paul Cornell

So, with future-Gabby's forewarning, the characters avoid the mistakes they made the first time around. This time, they take the fight to the Voord, and the twelth Doctor interfaces with the Voord group mind.

The future Doctor/Voord leader relents. He "devolves" his people back to their more primitive pre-Time War state...

Date: 2015-10-24 02:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] miramira
That is an incredibly sweet explanation for Nine's absence. Not one I buy at all, but sweet.

Date: 2015-10-24 03:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] crinos
I love the idea that in the future they've captured the Weeping Angels and keep them trapped in a museum under constant surveillance.

Although it does kind of utterly kill all their terror.

Date: 2015-10-24 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cricharddavies
What happens when the power to the surveillance system is interrupted?

You're welcome.

Date: 2015-10-24 04:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cygnia
Five Nights at Freddie's?

Date: 2015-10-24 05:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
Surveillance system? Don't you remember what happens to any picture of an Angel? A surveillance system is the last thing you'd want.

Date: 2015-10-24 06:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Like the Angels had any terror left anyway. They farted away the scariness of the things when they broke their big rule and started moving on screen, for me.

Date: 2015-10-24 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
I don't know, I thought the concept of Angels using farms was scary.

The 'anything that has the image of an Angel becomes an Angel' concept always confused me. Are the images sort of akin to astral or psychic projections, or are they entirely new Angels, and if the latter, what does that mean for Sally and Nightingale?

Date: 2015-10-24 11:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
New Angel's as far as we were told.

Sally and Nightingale never stared at the Angels for long enough for it to be an issue, and one assumes they never went back to look at the four that had now immobilised each other forever.

Date: 2015-10-25 08:25 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
What about the photographs they had taken?

Date: 2015-10-25 03:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
No idea, maybe they didn't look at them often enough either.

Date: 2015-10-24 11:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Agreed. The more they appeared in stories, the less effective they became. Which is true of most unstoppable villains (cf the Borg) but seemed a particualr shame with the Angels.

That being said, the DO work in the new LEGO Dimensions game, where they tend to change position and expression whenever you move out of sight of them and then move back, and then they become active opponents!
Edited Date: 2015-10-24 11:12 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-10-24 06:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bj_l
The Angels were only effective in that one two-parter anyway. Blink was boring and so ridiculously overrated.

Date: 2015-10-24 11:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Have to say, complete disagreement.

Blink was elegant, lean and self contained.

The two parter (by which I assume you mean the first two-parter they were in; The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone) completely ruined the concept (IMHO) by turning them into chatty monsters who killed people in ways other than their "time touch" and who were, in a moment of supremely bad story telling (again IMHO) actually seen moving on screen.

And as for "Angels in Manhattan"... ugh!

Date: 2015-10-25 08:27 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Why, what was wrong with 'The Angels Take Manhatten'?l
What is the general consensus on the episode, might I ask?

Date: 2015-10-25 04:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Aside from yet more tortuous playing around with time in ways that baffle rather than engage (and the waffle about a book which defines the future, (despite there being no logical reason to believe that that's the case).

I suppose we did get the introduction of the Cherubs, which was a creepy touch, and the notion of the "Farm" was interesting, if not actually workable in any way I could work out, but that was overshadowed by the bloody awful idea of the Statue of Liberty (a hollow, copper, statue that people walk around inside) was actually an Angel (solid stone, or thereabouts) and just hitched up her skirts and waded over to the city a couple of times, a la Ghostbusters 2.

Oh, and the whole "Let's make a suicide pact" between Rory and Amy was just NOT a message that I would hope to see in Doctor Who.

I'm not sure you'll ever find a "general consensus" on a Doctor Who episode (Aside from a few, recently, I'd suggest "Blink" or "The Doctor's Wife" which seem to be pretty much universally loved or "Forest of the Night" which was, inversely, pretty much loathed by all)

Date: 2015-10-24 10:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Yeah, that won't work. Don't you remember what happened when Amy looked at an Angel on a monitor for too long?

Date: 2015-10-24 06:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
While the best part of DOCTOR WHO is when the Doctor can go anywhere, I think I prefer stories where he is limited in some way. He is stuck on Earth in one time period and is helping out U.N.I.T. Or he gets an assignment from Gallifrey and the TARDIS isn't going anywhere until the assignment is over.

Date: 2015-10-24 11:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I think it was the script editor for the series at the time who, on being told about the 3rd Doctor's exile noted "Well, that means we're down to 'Alien invasion' or 'mad scientist'!"

Date: 2015-10-25 01:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
It didn't hurt that they had the most magnificent Master for Third Doctor's series, either.


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