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"I think, like everyone else, I had grown out of the X-Men because I was twenty-two years old or whatever when [Morrison's run] came out. I had fallen out of the X-Men when I started getting girlfriends, or went to college. That run definitely brought me back into it. It reminded me how much I loved that stuff. It was everything you loved but cranked up to eleven." - Chris Burnham







Cassandra Nova's taken over Jean Grey's reborn body, while Xavier's taken over Quentin Quire's corpse.











Date: 2015-10-28 02:42 pm (UTC)
informationgeek: (Default)
From: [personal profile] informationgeek
.....well that was something.


Also, the cover... those eyes will haunt me for all eternity.

Date: 2015-10-28 03:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] erikred
BEST. XORN. EVAH.

Date: 2015-10-29 04:30 am (UTC)
baihu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] baihu
I don't know exactly what happened, but hey Xorn's alive and now he's got the freaking Phoenix force in his head. I'm okay with that.

Screw everything else because my gawd what a mess.

Date: 2015-10-28 04:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] siliconshaman
Am I the only to think that this makes f**k all sense?

It's like there's just enough coherency within the individual pages to suggest that there might be a story, when in fact, there isn't.

and never mind the fact it has damn all to do with established canon.

It's just.. comic book gibberish, using established memes.

Date: 2015-10-28 06:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
There's no established canon except that which God Doom decrees at this time, right? And after the reboot... who the heck knows what the canon will be.

Date: 2015-10-28 07:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
Given that the ANAD titles are rolling out, I think the shape of the canon has turned out to be "Virtually identical, but now featuring Miles Morales and Ultimate Reed Richards."

Date: 2015-10-28 08:25 pm (UTC)
cainofdreaming: cain's mark (pic#364829)
From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
I don't know if there's been enough to tell yet, though that might be because there aren't around here, but with stuff like the changes to Radioactive Man popping up I'm kinda uncomfortable saying that the new canon is "virtually identical".
Edited Date: 2015-10-28 08:25 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-10-29 12:41 am (UTC)
silverhammerman: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
Honestly the Radioactive Man thing strikes me as the kind of derailment that we're just expected to accept with regards to D-list characters, chalking it up to the off panel action in order to explain the writer simply not caring enough to look into the character's background. It's not usually the sort of thing that I'd expect from Mark Waid, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Even if it is a deliberate break, I'd argue that since we've already seen very off brand versions of Captain America and Thor come through the relaunch intact and the most that's changed is a couple minor villains getting derailed in familiar ways, then things are proceeding much as usual. Admittedly there are still more titles to come, but as it stands right now, I'm pretty comfortable calling the Marvel Universe mostly unchanged.
Edited Date: 2015-10-29 12:46 am (UTC)

Date: 2015-10-28 05:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
I thought the first issue was pretty interesting with Magneto leading his own team and the X-Men being older and out of touch but after that it just went all over the place.

Date: 2015-10-28 07:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
I actually quite liked this mini for the most part. It's a little rough and it definitely reads like a year's worth of story elements crammed into 4 issues, but I found it to be a delightfully gonzo romp playing with some of the shamefully neglected ideas that Morrison left behind.

That being said, I didn't find the ending to be at all satisfying. There's no resolution or hint at the fates of the characters who didn't get killed off by Cassandra Nova. (Who else died in the final battle? Did the Atom Institute explode, because that wasn't shown happening? If it exploded did the various X-Men all die?) And personally I didn't enjoy the way that the focus shifted from the mutant celebrity/next generation stuff and the Xorn/Magneto wackiness to being about Cassandra Nova and the Phoenix Egg, as the latter two are concepts that I've never found as compelling.

Overall I think that the first three issues of this mini are still really fun, but the ending doesn't quite measure up.
Edited Date: 2015-10-28 07:51 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-10-29 12:50 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] laughing_tree
Who's this version of Xorn meant to be?

Date: 2015-10-29 02:08 am (UTC)
silverhammerman: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
I think based on how he first shows up and the manifestation of his head sans the helmet as a star rather than a black hole, that it's the original version. AKA the version who was retconned to have believed himself to be Magneto, but was in reality still Xorn.

Date: 2015-10-29 02:16 am (UTC)
laughing_tree: (Default)
From: [personal profile] laughing_tree
That seems unlikely, since that was a post-Morrison retcon, and this mini-series was all about echoing Morrison's run.

Date: 2015-10-29 10:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
We do explicitly see Xorn and Magneto shown as separate characters, they even interact with each other here, and the very premise of this series is that Xavier actually did kill himself at the end of E is for Extinction, so diverging from the Morrison canon is built right in. There's no hint at being a Battleworld related duplicate with Xorn, so the simplest explanation based on what we see is that Xorn is simply Xorn. As a matter of fact I actually thought that incorporating the retcon was one of the more delightful concept jokes in this series.

Date: 2015-10-29 02:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
So does Jean herself ever make a real decision here?

It seems all about Charles (with Logan) and Cassandra fighting over a power source which is intelligent, but doesn't seem to have any agency.

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