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[personal profile] janegray 2015-11-02 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
I'm confused. So, what, Adam killed his nephew? Just like that? It's really difficult for me to believe that he'd just off the only family he has left, his sister's child whom he went to great lengths to find and rescue, without evn trying to just defeat him without killing him first.

[identity profile] fredneil.livejournal.com 2015-11-02 01:56 am (UTC)(link)
Since I haven't read this, I'm just guessing, but from what was posted, I thought that if he had his hand over the boy's head, both lightning bolts would have hit him. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm wrong, though.

[personal profile] beardedjellybean 2015-11-02 01:58 am (UTC)(link)
It's not outright shown that Adam kills him, he just mentions Aman's "sacrifice" later so its up for debate.

And they have predominatly different viewpoints, with Adam fuelled by vengeance, despises those who enslave others and he does tend to kill his way through his problems (which works well in his time, not always the best in the modern day).
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[personal profile] janegray 2015-11-02 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
I get that, but... Predominantly different viewpoints just doesn't work for me as a *realistic* motive to murder your sister's child whom you have gone to great lengths to save. At least not as a first move, without even trying to defeat him non-lethally first.

I mean, just off the top of my head, Talia (before they turned her into a total villain) and Ra's al Ghul also had completely different goals at times and even went so far as to openly fight each other, but Ra's always did everything he could to beat her without killing her. Same with Deathstroke and Cassandra. Mystique and Rogue. Magneto and Xavier. Even Loki was extremely reluctant to kill Odin, usually leaving it as a last resort.

I could buy that eventually, after trying at length and continuously failing to get his nephew to either support him or at least not getting in his way, Adam might snap and kill the kid. But like 5 minutes after getting rescued by the kid, from a wound Adam got because he fought so hard to save the kid, when said kid is the only family he has left and is hugging Adam while telling him how much he loves him and begging him not to resent him?

No. I hope it's just a red herring, because if Adam really did murder him that's bad writing.

[personal profile] beardedjellybean 2015-11-02 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
Hate makes people do extreme things, but you do make some excellent points and I don't know at the end of the day. Like I said, it's not implicitly shown that Adam actually kills him so it's up for debate.
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[personal profile] jaybee3 2015-11-02 02:06 am (UTC)(link)
That is what is suggested. It's weird. It's Geoff Johns in JSA who went to such pains to make Adam a semi-sympathetic anti-hero and it was the same Geoff Johns who gave him a family (Isis and Osiris, who were created just to be killed in 52) and it was the same Geoff Johns who turned Adam into a neigh-unstoppable genocidal killer and it was the same Geoff Johns who gave us this "new" origin for BA (which is actually a retcon of Johns' own previous origin) - which yeah it makes sense if you take idealistic and hopeful Aman as a proto-Billy Batson, except Geoff Johns gave us Billy BRATson in the DCnU because he said readers (i.e. males 18-40, certainly not little kids) couldn't relate to an orphan who is sunny and optimistic.

Back in the day during when Black Adam was all over the place and Billy/Cap and Mary/Freddy were MIA, I remember a lot of people saying that as for as DC was concerned Black Adam was now the face of the Shazam franchise. And when you see the kind of stuff DC puts out that kind of thinking makes a lot of sense.
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[personal profile] trooper924 2015-11-02 03:25 am (UTC)(link)
It's because it's TRAGIC. It's TRAGIC that Black Adam gained a family, only to lose them in a horrible fashion. It's TRAGIC that said loss caused him to go on a murderous rampage across the globe. And now it's TRAGIC that he may have sacrificed his nephew to overthrow the dictators running his country.

And it's all TRAGIC because as far as DC is concerned, tragedies are the only stories worth telling.
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[personal profile] sagrada 2015-11-02 05:33 pm (UTC)(link)
It's even an actual, technically correct tragedy, since there's a fatal flaw which is endemic to Detective Comics Comics Entertainment and every rung up its rotted old wooden ladder. MARVEL's is made of hollow plastic, but at least it isn't falling apart.
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[personal profile] trooper924 2015-11-02 07:38 pm (UTC)(link)
And Marvel's got a little more color to it, unlike DC which seems to have forgotten that there are other colors beside brown, black and gray.
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[personal profile] laughing_tree 2015-11-03 07:22 am (UTC)(link)
Try some of the DCYou books.