Date: 2015-12-30 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] beeyo
Just a quick comment on issue number 2:

It had been a very long time since I'd read DKSA, so when Carrie was recalling Bruce's last fight, I thought she was talking about the mutant leader and not Lex Luthor. So what I thought was that she was implying that DKSA was some fever dream Bruce told her on his death bed and hadn't really happened.

I see I was wrong now, but for a few days I was walking around thinking they retconned DKSA as "it was all a dream!" which, to be honest, I was totally fine with.

Date: 2015-12-30 05:00 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
"We are the light in the dark. The shield from death. The tired and pretentious internal monologue. That looks more meaningful...if you split up the sentences."

Date: 2015-12-30 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
Also, yes, like others I take issue with WW stating above that the Amazons (or superheroes in general) needed Superman to teach them to help others and make sacrifices even while people distrusted them.

This comes dangerously close to the right-wing Christian idea that "all human beings are inherently tainted and need the shining blood of Christ to purify them" BS, but with a slightly more misogynistic focus. Remembering, of course, that in this universe Diana has fond memories of Clark raping her.

Date: 2015-12-30 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] beeyo
Okay, what? Clark raped her? Holy shit, I'm glad I don't remember the dark knight series that well.

Also, if you Google "superman wonder woman rape" you will hate yourself. But you'll also come across this story of Mark Millar pitching an idea to DC along the lines of The Death Of Superman for Diana. It was dubbed "The Rape Of Wonder Woman". Shit you not.

http://lostmedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Rape_of_Wonder_Woman_(Unreleased_Mark_Millar_Comic_Book_Script)

Date: 2015-12-30 06:35 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
Mm. As I remember it, while trying to give him a pep talk in "TDK Strikes Again", she asks him "where is the superman who threw me to the ground and took me for his own?". This is what motivates him to have sex with her again, causing several tremors and apparently immediately fertilising her with the baby in the pages above. As with everything Miller's written, it's super super gross.

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Date: 2015-12-30 07:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] walkingthroughforest
Jesus, Clark did not rape her. If you want to interpret those words as such that's your own choice. Was it objectifying? Sure. But you're absolutely reaching the worst possible interpretation of those words.

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Date: 2015-12-30 05:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] trooper924
This remains the worst looking version of Wonder Woman I've ever seen. Seriously, what is up with that nosepiece?

Date: 2015-12-30 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
It's mean to evoke SPARTA because she's TOUGH and TAKES NO PRISONERS, etc.

Date: 2015-12-31 04:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] trooper924
Ah yes, because no other recent interpretation of the character has emphasized those traits.

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Date: 2015-12-30 06:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Marvel and DC both wander into "The public resents superheroes for saving them" territory now and then. It rarely makes any sense. It's like "Police officers keep us safe. Until they shoot us dead for their own amusement."

Date: 2015-12-30 06:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] korvar
Given what I'm hearing from America, that might not be that far off.

Date: 2015-12-30 07:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sagrada
Don't worry, citizen, you're fine unless you're black or being inconvenient and they know they can get away with it. Otherwise you are totally safe.

Date: 2015-12-30 10:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
This is bad when, unlike some cases with the police, the specific heroes have been very public and active for a long time without misusing their power.

People fear cops who *do* beat and kill civilians. They don't fear ones that they know have a long and positive record.

Date: 2015-12-31 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
I'd also point out that as celebs, superheroes have something on their side that 99% of cops don't have, recognizably.

For someone reasonably informed, there's no mistaking Blue Beetle for Superman or Plastic Man, etc.

A cop under investigation looks the same as one who's won a medal of valor. Unless you know a cop personally, you don't know them at all.

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Date: 2015-12-30 06:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] reveen
What the hell is Batman doing? Trying to take a running poo like a dog or something?

Date: 2015-12-30 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
He's doing a Hunter-S-Thompson-style creeping walk to see if he can escape appearing in this universe another time.

Date: 2015-12-30 07:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mab_browne
I don't care how shit hot a warrior you are, you don't knowingly carry your baby into battle strapped on your back. Sheesh. (and it was stupid when Nomad did it back in the day too.)

Date: 2015-12-31 02:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jekylls_salvation
It IS Superman's baby. But I felt like he should've suffered from shown baby syndrome there. It's like they came up with some comical way amazons toughen up their young.

Date: 2015-12-30 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
I mean, seriously people, we have never once seen this version of Diana being compassionate, diplomatic, joyful, etc. - the way we know and love Wonder Woman. Under Miller (and now Azzarello), she has the following personality traits: "The World of Men is awful and I hate it and want to fight everything", and: "Superman is weak and I hate his guts, but maybe if I tell him so ten thousand times he'll impregnate me again".

Which would not bother me if the makers of the multi-million-dollar movie franchise that's introducing her to the big screen (and hundreds of audience members) for the first time were not dipping into Miller's work for inspiration a lot. You will notice that in what we've seen of BvS thus far, Diana has not said a word, mostly being displayed for her sex appeal and for fighting. If that's a reflection of her overall appearance in the movie - and let's face it, Zach Snyder is not very good with women - then things do not bode well.

Date: 2015-12-30 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] joetuss
Wonder Woman is the lamest character ever created.

Date: 2015-12-30 08:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
No, she's really not.

Date: 2015-12-30 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] joetuss
To me she is.

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Date: 2015-12-30 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] joetuss
I wasn't trying to be controversial, i was just voicing my opinion. I understand now. Next time i'll explain why i hate a character

Date: 2015-12-31 08:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stubbleupdate
Why wait for a next time? Why not now?

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Wow

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From: [personal profile] riddler13
So far removed from that Diana I knew and loved, from the 70's/80's.

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