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From Arkham: Madness. Warning for some gore/disturbing imagery.

Date: 2016-04-10 12:59 am (UTC)
veleda_k: Death from Neil Gaiman's Sandman. Text says "Virgo, you gonna die." (Sandman: Death)
From: [personal profile] veleda_k
Why does anybody work at Arkham?

Date: 2016-04-10 04:06 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Why do they do so little about so many of them dying to one person?

Date: 2016-04-10 06:06 am (UTC)
lucean: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lucean
I would love to see the contracts they have to sign when they start working there and how the Asylum avoids massive lawsuits.

Date: 2016-04-10 07:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] glprime
I still don't believe some random cop hasn't shot him on sight (or a random mercenary wasn't hired to assassinate him or something), much like I can't believe after his crime spree in The Dark Knight, gun sales in Gotham didn't skyrocket, so by the time Bane is blowing up a football field and threatening citizens in the open with his militia, they're all getting shot in the street by armed citizenry who aren't gonna let another lunatic hold them hostage.

Date: 2016-04-10 04:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] glprime
Yeah, Morrison, creator of the BatGod and worshiper at the shrine of the holy mythos. I was sooo surprised he would never let the Joker die. Also, that water is wet.

Date: 2016-04-11 10:05 am (UTC)
alicemacher: Lisa Winklemeyer from the webcomic Penny and Aggie, c2004-2011 G. Lagacé, T Campbell (Default)
From: [personal profile] alicemacher
Do you think Morrison is the only one at DC who has an interest in keeping the Joker alive?

Money, my friend. DC is a business. When a business sees it has a product that's consistently popular over decades, why would it stop putting it out?

That is the reason the Joker cannot be killed. It trumps any in-story logic.

Date: 2016-04-11 12:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
And has gotten more and more annoying pretty much since A death in the Family and subsequent stories where all he does is kill as many people as possible,

Date: 2016-04-11 12:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
That specific a respsonse requires the Joker to know that it's about to happen, not some schmo just deciding to do the world a favour and remove the Joker from the face of the earth.

Date: 2016-04-11 04:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mesmiranda
I would actually love to read a story where the Joker is going about some sort of heist, murder spree, explosion, whatever, and some random person comes up and just shoots him point blank.

No theatrics. No pleas or demands. No big, impassioned monologues. Just a bullet to the face.

And then Batman and Gotham and the rest of the DC universe have to sit down and actually deal with this for a while.

Date: 2016-04-11 10:38 am (UTC)
alicemacher: Lisa Winklemeyer from the webcomic Penny and Aggie, c2004-2011 G. Lagacé, T Campbell (Default)
From: [personal profile] alicemacher
I like it.

Another possibility would be a twist on the Brian Bolland story "An Innocent Guy." Only the protagonist wouldn't be a sick, twisted creep who thinks he's a good guy and wants to make sure by doing one terrible thing to see how it makes him feel. Instead, he'd be a career criminal--not a kingpin, but let's say a thug for hire or a chauffeur for gangsters or hitmen--who feels remorse for his actions. He doesn't want to turn himself in and do time. Nor does he want to inform on his employers, for fear of reprisal.

So instead, he muses about making up for his deeds anonymously (or so he thinks) by sniping at just one criminal. One whose death would truly have an impact. The Joker.

Date: 2016-04-11 12:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Remember we've seen how the Joker reacts to a threat like that in BTAS, and it is AWESOME!

Date: 2016-04-11 02:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lb_lee
Interestingly, I read the book in question a bit back, and while I wasn't into it, IIRC, the plot thread I was most interested in was this poor woman who took the job at Arkham. She did it out of desperation, needing the money REAAAAALLLLY bad, and it's basically the existential horror of her fighting the inertia of, "Oh, it's not really so bad... the money is good... I mean, what else would I do?"

Like, I found that one nurse's story of horrifyingly starting to acclimate to a hellhole workplace more terrifying than anything any of the supervillains did, which I took as being the point.

Date: 2016-04-11 04:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] espanolbot
Well judging from various comics the folks there seem divided between people who genuinely want to help the inmates (like the doctor the Joker befriended while pretending to be a nurse prior to Endgame), wanting to bully the inmates due to them being on some kind of power trip (Lockup from BTAS and possibly also from the comics, I forget), or people wanting to make a quick buck out of the inmates (Harley Quinn prior to her change of careers, among others).

And that's not even getting into the people who are at least partially responsible for the multiple escapes, such as the guards who sold confidential medical information to tabloids (such as Harvey Dent needing speech therapy due to his disfigurement), the other guards who do things like sneak nude photos of the more conventionally attractive inmates to sell on (such as Poison Ivy in one Birds of Prey issue), and those on the board of directors who take the huge amount of money the state and private people like Bruce Wayne give them to improve security and health care and take most of it as bonuses... while laying off staff as a means to make more money.

Date: 2016-04-10 01:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jekylls_salvation
The Joker is a character that only works in a smaller world than DC's universe. Also I suspect that he is a whiney dramatic teenager.

Joker's the element of our culture that lets Columbine happen: luxury.

Date: 2016-04-11 12:32 am (UTC)
icon_uk: Sad Nightwing (Sad Nightwing)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I fail to see the Joker's connection to a seventeen year old real world tragedy.

Date: 2016-05-08 01:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jekylls_salvation
I'll just say it then. I think Columbine was a luxury. That sounds bold. But those kids didn't have a reason to be anything. They were too comfortable, had no reason to tread, no path to take. I think their madness is the result of a culture of purposeless. I don't think the connection between that culture and the character of the Joker is vague. I think it's plain and simple: Joker and Columbine are the result of privilege, the luxury of dwelling on the purposeless of life and lashing out, a particularly disgusting state of humanity.

Date: 2016-04-10 02:46 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lucean
I can't help myself from laughing at Joker working on the leg and commenting on his blood pressure. I know I shouldn't, but it hits just the right way.

Date: 2016-04-10 09:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
That guard was kinda asking for it. I mean, he never heard of the phrase "Don't poke the bear"?

Date: 2016-04-10 02:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
You have to be nuttier than the inmates to work in Arkham!

Date: 2016-04-10 02:52 pm (UTC)
alicemacher: Lisa Winklemeyer from the webcomic Penny and Aggie, c2004-2011 G. Lagacé, T Campbell (Default)
From: [personal profile] alicemacher
As the plaque on the Arkham receptionist's desk says in The Killing Joke, "You don't have to be crazy to work here, but it helps!"

Date: 2016-04-10 02:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] an_idol_mind
With The Killing Joke coming out as an animated movie, it reminds me that the thing that really made that comic so effective is that it seemed like the Joker had gone way beyond what he normally did.

It's also one of the reasons I don't think these kind of Joker stories work anymore. Since the Joker does this stuff very time he gets out (and, as shown here, even when he's in Arkham), his appearances have no shock value anymore. The character himself is basically walking torture porn now.

Date: 2016-04-10 04:32 pm (UTC)
alicemacher: Lisa Winklemeyer from the webcomic Penny and Aggie, c2004-2011 G. Lagacé, T Campbell (Default)
From: [personal profile] alicemacher
TKJ even calls attention to what it's doing with the Joker, in the scene where the hospitalized Barbara tells Bruce, "He's taking it to the limit this time..." And yeah, since then many writers have tried to do Moore one better (or worse) by going even farther past the limit. Sometimes that's worked, but by now many readers have become inured to it: "Oh, there's the Joker. Hi ho, who's he gonna torture/mutilate/kill today and basically get away with it by being returned to Arkham 'Revolving Door' Asylum."

More effective writers have shown that the Joker has more creative potential then simply leaving a pile of dead and/or disabled victims wherever he goes. Some even allow him to be genuinely funny in his escapades--what a concept.

Date: 2016-04-11 12:31 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Robin Joker Another day....)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Agreed, it should come as no surprise when the Joker does kill (except, usually, to the poor sap involved) but when ALL he does is kill, it's beyond tedious.

Date: 2016-04-11 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] lego_joker
I still think there's potential in taking that one step further and making a Joker who NEVER kills, even in self-defense.

It would be good proof he really is every bit as ingenious as Batman says.

Date: 2016-04-11 03:40 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Here's one for you; the Joker as a sort of viral parasite, maybe a person once, but something went wrong (faulty metagene, result of the chemical bath, I dunno) and he/it is now something approaching a communicable personality.

The reason there are so many different "types" of Joker is that there have been many Joker's, with different levels of madness, and homicidal intent.

Each time we thought the Joker was killed in his usual self inflicted conflagration (or fall down a chimney or whatever), he actually WAS killed... or his host body was.... the parasite then moves on to a new host and reformats the new body into a new Joker, with a slightly different take on the mindset and approach of the Joker, depending on what's left of the personality of the new host, but each convinced that he is the one and only original joker.

Thus the reason the Joker can't remember his own past (and has many different versions of it) is that the parasite carries so many conflicting sets of memories that it scrambles the hosts own memory as soon as it crawls inside.

Date: 2016-04-11 04:19 pm (UTC)
alicemacher: Lisa Winklemeyer from the webcomic Penny and Aggie, c2004-2011 G. Lagacé, T Campbell (Default)
From: [personal profile] alicemacher
Moore did something kinda sorta like that in Promethea with the Painted Doll. Only with multiple androids, unaware of each other, having the same personality, each one activated after the previous one's destruction, so he seems to the world like a single, human serial killer who somehow keeps surviving his apparent death.

Date: 2016-04-11 04:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Really? Well if I'm going to be beaten to the punch about an idea by anyone, at least it was by Alan Moore, rather than, say, Rob Liefeld.

Date: 2016-04-11 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] lego_joker
I was also going to say it sounds kind of like Steve Englehart's theory that the Joker is actually a bunch of guys who pick the mantle up from each other as soon as the last one dies (most of whom are probably Joker's henchmen). Only more, y'know, comic book-y.

Date: 2016-04-11 11:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lissa_quon
There's a chracter like that in the browser game Fallen London called Jack of Smiles. He's more of a Jack the Ripper send up but 'he' does possess and move from host to host. One host dies another pops up and the 'games' continue.

Though Fallen London being what it is (weird gothic horror comedy of manners) it's not a "virus" or "parasite" in scientific terms.
Edited Date: 2016-04-11 11:32 pm (UTC)


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