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"Doom, Thor, Black Bolt, Black Panther, Ka-Zar, Namor...There are many monarchs in the Marvel Universe, but only one so powerful and so reviled that he had to be written out of history. He is THE UNSPOKEN."

Who ruled the Inhumans before Black Bolt? And what happened to him?

This is from Mighty Avengers #27 by Dan Slott, Christos Gage, and Khoi Pham.

"By all save a few."

We see a young Black Bolt, Medusa, Gorgon, and Karnak arrive.

Medusa tells the guards that "Prince Black Bolt demands an audience with his cousin, the king." The guards laugh, before the young Inhumans take them down and Black Bolt destroys the door.

The King defeats Gorgon, Medusa, and Karnak, leaving Black Bolt.

Date: 2016-07-30 02:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] glimmung
Sounds like a standup guy, anyone who gets rid of something named "The Slave Engine" is okay with me. Plus the help likes him.

Date: 2016-07-30 03:19 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] matrix_dragon
Yeah, he went crazy and evil later, but here? Black Bolt and co aren't coming across as the good guys.

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Date: 2016-07-30 03:36 am (UTC)
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Pretty much. Shit like this is exactly why so many people can't stand the Inhumans.

Hey lets grab the "Slave Engine" and use it to make sure we can dominate all other life on the planet....sounds legit.

Date: 2016-07-30 04:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
But Karnak never went through the Mists. He learned his stuff the old-fashioned way, at a monastery.

Date: 2016-07-30 08:07 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Yup, because his parents saw the extreme effect the Mists had had on his older brother Triton (Making him an aquatic lifeform)

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Date: 2016-07-30 01:56 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] md84
So is this a case of retcon, the writer making a goof, or Karnak being a liar? It wouldn't be out of character for Karnak to have lied about the real nature of his power.

Date: 2016-07-30 04:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zylly
"One week ago, the sacred Terrigen Mists granted me the power to find any object's weakness."

...Uh. No. Karnak's whole schtick is that he was never exposed to the Terrigen, lest it alter him as radically as it did his brother Triton. His abilities are all the result of general Inhuman physiology and training.

Date: 2016-07-30 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] md84
This is either a retcon, the writer screwing up, or Karnak lying.

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Date: 2016-07-30 04:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] superboyprime
"The slave engine bestowed too much power... Far more power than any Inhuman, any being should possess. That's why I've hidden it, thus putting this unmatched power in my sole control"?

Date: 2016-07-30 07:21 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ap0cryphal
wait, i'm supposed to root for the team which wants attilan to be the "shining capital from which we rule this world"

i mean, i read the recent mini where karnak's a nihilist asshole / sociopathic wise man / mass murderer, but did he always talk like a straight up supervillain?

Date: 2017-01-22 06:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tugrul
Who did Karnak mass murder?

Date: 2016-07-30 08:24 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
"We're going to banish him."
"Not gonna... lock him up in a dungeon or something?"
"Or have a psychic pick his brain? We have a psychic, right?"
"So we're just going to chuck him out, and not even check his movement?"
"Not a chance."
"... Eh, alright."

Not having read later stuff, I'm going to assume some of this stuff is not What Actually Happened.

Date: 2016-07-30 08:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
It's not just banishment though, since Black Bolt speaking at ANYONE full in the face at point blank range should be considered to be outright killing him.

The fact they then didn't check the body is where they slipped up.

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Date: 2016-07-30 08:42 am (UTC)
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I wonder how long ago this was supposed to have happened (I have no idea the lifespan of an Inhuman, but I imagine it's longer than a humans) as if this is who Black Bolt succeeded as King, I have no idea how that is supposed to match up with the original "Black Bolt is made, against his own wishes, leader after heroically taking down a Kree assault ship, the crashing of which killed the then-current rulers".

Date: 2016-07-30 12:58 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
That sounds like the "Official story" they allude to at the start.

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Date: 2016-07-30 09:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
*bangs his head against the wall*

I favor the Unspoken here. But I get the feeling that I'm not supposed to.

The Inhumans are like the Roman Reigns of the Marvel Universe. A whole race of Roman Reigns.

Date: 2016-07-30 04:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] candescencearia
Seriously, there are so many things about the Inhumans both in previous continuity and present comics that makes them extremely unlikable. This is just another example.

No wonder the movie got shoved off to TBA (or possibly cancelled outright now that Feige can give the middle finger to Perlmutter), trying to work with a set of source material that is inherently "problematic" in many ways and making it not so without making it "problematic" without making the adaptation unfaithful would be a fucking nightmare.

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Date: 2016-07-30 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
The Unspoken is really the Charles Xavier to their Brotherhood.

Just trying to make human and Inhumans live in peace, and reigning well, something he apparently manged so well that even the Alpha Primitives and the people who usurped him had to admit that he did a good job.

Oh and as I remember, the Slave Engine was meant to turn mankind into Alpha Primitives. They do go on about it being for defensive proposes, because they can't defend themselves if all humans on earth gang up on them (which is a bit above North Korea on the paranoia scale).

But they don't call it the defense engine, do they?

The name kind of gives away what they want it for. And the Unspoken is right, at some point, someone would say "hey, we are really short of slaves..."

The Unspoken really comes across as a good guy here. Even given that the tale is told by the people who usurped him.

Date: 2016-07-30 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] md84
It says something about how little thought Black Bolt and the others gave to the Alpha Primitives that it never crossed their minds that the Alpha Primitives might do something like this. OF COURSE the Alpha Primitives would do their best to help out the one guy who actually seemed to give a crap about them.

The moral? Be nice to the help.

The scene reminds me of that scene from STAS "Legacy" when Superman threw Darkseid to the Lowlies, only to be shocked when the Lowlies carried Darkseid to safety.
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Date: 2016-07-31 12:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
In fairness, that scene with Darkseid was of different intent. Darkseid was anything but kind to the help, and he had them so beaten down that even in his greatest moment of weakness, his subjects still cared for him.

Here, the Unspoken seems to genuinely respect the Alphas.

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Date: 2016-07-30 03:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
A society based on slavery is always SO charming! The language used against the Alpha Primitives is just the same old b.s. that tyrants and enslavers have always used. Hey, these people are simple, so we'll give 'em room and board and btw, they have to toil for us without pay. They should be grateful, right?

The Royal Family is so skeevy! See, you can tell about a person the way they treat the help. The Unspoken comes off as a fairly decent guy but the rest of the clan? Ugh!

Date: 2016-07-31 01:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Especially as the only reason they are simple is because the Inhumans DESIGNED them that way.

Shades of Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World" methinks...

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Date: 2016-07-30 05:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
I'm sure that Slott intended this to make the Unspoken at least somewhat sympathetic, making him more of a fallen hero type character, in a way that ties into the Inhuman's background as even creepier and more isolationist before meeting the Fantastic Four, but it does seem to go too far.

Are there other pages that make Black Bolt and co. seem less evil?

Date: 2016-07-30 08:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
I don't think so. In the the context of the Inhuman's place in the universe when I first read the issue I thought it was suppose to be off putting. Their not mutants, or metahumans. They are Inhuman. Their culture is suppose to seem strange and offputting.

Now that I am suppose to be rooting for them all the things that previously just made me uneasy about them now legitimately offend me. The Inhumans weren't built to be heroes or villians, they were built to be other and this story did a great job of that.

Date: 2016-07-30 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] super_fly
"Black Bolt's first decree as king is that no monarch should ever have to wear this silly-ass crown again, for it is goofy as fuck and does not mesh with his style at all."
Edited Date: 2016-07-30 10:10 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2016-07-31 12:31 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] timefire
King Black Bot vs. King Black Box

Truly, the Inhuman Royal Naming System is very creative and flexible ;)

Date: 2016-07-31 04:47 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lb_lee
Man, are there any GOOD stories about Black Bolt and Medusa? I've always been really curious about the ordinary lives of a couple where one literally has to speak for the other. I want a story that's just the two of them going about their lives in quiet domesticity where they communicate in sign language or Super Special Couples Telepathy or something.

Date: 2016-07-31 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] md84
I can't help but think the challenge of succession thing should have been a one-on-one duel rather than that bunch ganging up on him.

Date: 2016-07-31 04:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
But he's POWERFUL. He can do, like ANYTHING he's so powerful. Did I mention how POWERFUL he is? Because he is. Powerful.

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Date: 2016-07-31 04:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
Yeah, even as the guy who defends the Inhumans, Black Bolt and company REALLY don't come across here as anything but tyrannical, paranoid jerks.

But Dan Slott wrote this, so...

Also, I'm ninety percent sure that this "slave engine" thing that creates turns humans into Alpha Primitives is a retcon to how they're created.

It doesn't help that the storyline following this was all about the Unspoken trying to get back home and redeem himself in the eyes of his people, portrayed as more pitiable than anything else (granted, I think his plan had something to do with turning the human race into Alpha Primitives, but still).

Plus, the whole storyline was hilariously vague about his powers. He could have turned the Earth into a kumquat and it would have made just as much sense given his supposed powerset.

The closest thing I can say to defend this is that the next time the Unspoken appears, his powers are actually explained, he's a one-note mustache twirling villain and more or less treated as if he's always been this way, and the reason he's the Unspoken is left to the reader's imagination. And the Alpha Primitives were officially released from their slavery a while ago (not that anyone on the current writing staff seems to remember).

(But seriously, someone retcon his crime that he was eating babies to fuel his powers or something.)
Edited Date: 2016-07-31 04:18 pm (UTC)


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