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"[The prequels are] a background that underlines everything in terms of motivations and psychology. You can see it running through Star Wars as a whole. Even if I hated the prequels, you can appreciate the emotional journey of the characters. Vader is Anakin but he isn't; he's not the same guy as he was twenty years ago. I did close readings of all the prequels, picking apart the details to see what was worth digging into and what makes things interesting." -- Kieron Gillen



















Date: 2016-09-11 04:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] byc
Who could have saw that coming...

The ability to shut down cybernetic armor is insignificant next to the power of the Force

Date: 2016-09-11 06:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dcbanacek
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

Date: 2016-09-11 06:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] joetuss
Well, I guess we know who you're voting for

Date: 2016-09-12 05:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beoweasel
Goddamn, I love that oath. Though, I thought it was, "The Force shall shall set me free."

Date: 2016-09-11 06:22 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
Why, it's as if Vader can move things just by thinking about it!

Date: 2016-09-11 12:58 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
I feel the same way about the Prequels. as their own thing, i don't like them a little. But as compliment of the original trilogy? i think they are serviceable. Like I think the Romance was bad (as in, really bad) but i do think it is interesting to see the contrast Padme and Anakin have with their childrens.

Date: 2016-09-11 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
This is basically why, outside of live action movies, I struggle to like Star Wars.

Darth Vader is the ultimate sham as a villain, really. A cleverly disguised cliche, but cliche none the less His commitment to the dark side means virtually everything he does is an act of knowing evil, he possesses little in the way of cunning, simply brute forcing his way through most everything and winning, because somehow after thousands of years, still no one (somehow) understands The Force (really, The hamfisted Plot) in the slightest.

More than that, he's not even self directed. He's a puppet of the Emperor, a guy who outmatches him in every regard except visually.
From: [personal profile] chortles81
The sheer scale of the galaxy means that as of between-A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back it's entirely possible for beings to have never even heard of Darth Vader, much less what he looks like (Battlefront: Twilight Company) and because by the time of the original trilogy a whole generation's already grown up in the shadow of Imperial propaganda denying the existence of the Force... and there's probably lore about a low-level version of the "never heard of it" factor going on even while the Jedi were around during the prequel trilogy.

That, and it's probably a lot easier to deny/disbelieve the existence of the Force when technology may exist to feign its various uses...
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
Except that it's not he public in general.

In every canon I've seen, everyone who's not a Jedi treats The Force as if it were a mystic force, that can't be defended against in any manner whatsoever (when, honestly, I can think of many ways to defend against it).

It's always treated as some trump card that the opposition always face-plants in, despite what should be well documented uses spanning back some hundred years at the very least
From: [personal profile] locuatico
The public in general is "everyone below this very limited group"
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
Post Imperial take over, yes.

But again, I said every canon ;)

Like Clone Wars, every comic pre-Order 66, etc. when knowledge of the force should be widespread.

And frankly, even those knowledgeable of The Force do little more than resorting to taking hostages

In light of your reply to locuatico

Date: 2016-09-11 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] chortles81
Not reflecting the canon I've seen then... remember, "every comic pre-Order 66" is non-canon, as are the Tartakovsky cartoon, the KOTOR duology, ysalamiri (so far), and a lot of the in-universe articles from the 00's about the high public visibility of the prequel Jedi...

None of the above is to defend the arc of which this issue is from, but that's because of the fundamental problems of throwing a "science vs. magic" story in people who, as you say, really should know better (versus, as I say, most of the Star Wars universe).
Edited Date: 2016-09-11 06:36 pm (UTC)

Date: 2016-09-11 05:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] captainbellman
...it would be an interesting twist (that they're probably not allowed to establish as canon) if, for however many years, Vader has actually been paralysed below the neck and propelling his body purely through the Force.
From: [personal profile] chortles81
Other than the damage from the immolation causing more extensive-than-implied-onscreen CNS damage... plus if that's the case, why bother playing along with Cylo-V's mistaken belief unless Vader knew that there was more Cylo-V wouldn't say otherwise?
Edited Date: 2016-09-11 06:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] captainbellman
Enh, just a passing thought - maybe induced partly by the deep-tissue burns and partly from clumsy robotic surgeons just making the nerve damage worse. It would explain his weird concrete-hipped walk after Sidious tells him he offed Padme...and it would maybe make his final moments with Luke a tad more cathartic?

Or, alternate idea: the implants were keeping him going to this point, kept on automatically by Cylo, but after this point they were maintained only by the Force. That way, they can't just be turned off again...
Edited Date: 2016-09-11 06:55 pm (UTC)

Date: 2016-09-11 11:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] quatoria
to quote GLPrime - "Obi-Wan was right... you almost *have* to cut an idiot leaping at you to pieces."
Edited Date: 2016-09-11 11:40 pm (UTC)

Date: 2016-09-12 03:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dcbanacek
Or to quote Blade from his first film "Some motherfucker is always trying to iceskate uphill."

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