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This is a little spotlight on Nuriko from Fushigi Yuugi.

When introduced she's part of the ignored harem of the Emperor of Konan, and she's deeply in love with and devoted to the Emperor. She is also one of the seven chosen guardians for the Priestess of Suzaku (as is the Emperor), and she has the gift of super human strength. We later discover she's Assigned Male at Birth... And the characters after this point vary in how they treat her.

The text itself, really confuses the line between gay drag queen/okama, and trans woman... owing part to different cultural norms, and just the general confusion that people have on the issue. Presented here are some early scenes dealing with her outing... the reason behind her feminine presentation, and her ultimate fate... warning for some homophobic, and transmisogynistic content.

For this part read left-to-right

Miaka is replaced by an evil mirror duplicate who outs Nuriko

Much later Nuriko tells her story to Miaka, and Tamahome (for the rest of the post read right to left)

Later still Nuriko cuts her hair and starts wearing men's clothing

Nuriko fights one of the rival Seiryuu Guardians over a holy relic, almost bleeding out in the process, and then moves a huge boulder to allow the Suzaku team to get the relic which pretty much finishes the job.

Being a supernatural story this isn't quite the last we see of Nuriko, and she does get a female reincarnation. But yeah...

This series had a big impact on me as a teen, though at the time I was pretty uncomfortable with Nuriko since I was not comfortable with myself... and now I have some mixed feelings on how the character is handled.

Date: 2016-10-20 01:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
Japan seems to have some trouble with distinguishing between gay people and trans people. But it's interesting to see how the stance evolved over the years.

When I was a kid, I LOVED the manga Ranma 1/2. I still think it's hilarious for the most part, and still recommend it, even if it hasn't aged all that well (the original run was 1987 – 1996), and my patience for Happosai has gone from "don't find him funny, can we go back to focus on the other characters pls?" to "JFC drop the little shitty fucker already."

But there was a scene that, even as a little kid, left a bad taste in my mouth. There was a character called Tsubasa who was a crossdresser, but he was so good at it that everybody was convinced he was a woman. Since Tsubasa was in love with female character Ukyo, everybody assumed he was a lesbian. And so protagonist Ranma decided to date "her" to "set her straight."


Compare and contrast the treatment of Tiger & Bunny's Fire Emblem:


One Piece is more ambiguous, because Bon Clay is treated respectfully as a cool and beloved friend of the protagonists, but the other gay/trans/crossdressing characters are most definitely not.

EDIT: I haven't been watching the Sailor Moon reboot. If anybody here has, have you noticed any change in the treatment of Haruka and Michiru?
Edited Date: 2016-10-20 01:47 pm (UTC)

Date: 2016-10-20 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
For what it's worth, Ranma the character was always portrayed as having some pretty screwed-up and restrictive ideas about maleness and femaleness (and it's pretty easy to see why he'd cling to them, given his own unique gender issues). Ukyo and Akane saw his maneuver with Tsubasa for the moronic idea that it was, IIRC.
Edited Date: 2016-10-20 04:41 pm (UTC)

Date: 2016-10-20 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] onsokumaru
Oh, it's not just Ranma.
Takahashi's mangas are great, but there are definitely instances of homophobia and conservatism inside: character being called hentai (pervert, deviant) because they were believed to be gay or lesbian (always a misunderstanding, like "whew, they were just a crossdresser!").

Also Ranma has a horrible mother who appears nice and gentle, but always carries a katana in order to commit triple seppuku with her husband and her son, if the former failed to raise the later as a "manly man". (Which leads to hilarous stuff, Ranma having to avoid her at all costs)

In general, don't expect positive portrayals of homosexuality in shônen manga. Remember General Blue from Dragon Ball: a gay obsessed with cleanness and afraid of mices in the manga. And in the anime, they had him trying to seduce a little boy.

The only gay character I remember not being played for the lulz was a support character in romantic comedy I'S by Masakazu Katsura. He was quite the cliché (effeminate, shy and having a crush over the bara sport teacher), but was also a beast in martial arts.

Date: 2016-10-20 07:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
It should be noted that that character was a clichè according to Western standards, but not Japanese standards. The stereotypical gay man in Japan is burly and macho (think Zangief), while effemminate pretty boys are seen as perfectly straight.

FMA is kinda hit&miss. On the one hand, Garfiel's homosexuality is played for laughs. On the other hand, he is widely recognized as an extremely skilled engineer, and Winry jumps at the chance to become his apprentice. Her skills greatly improve thanks to his mentorship, and he is the one who immediately understands that Ed's automail could kill him in Briggs. In the anime he ends up in the family photo in the epilogue, he is just that important to Winry, and in the art book she calls him her idol.

Date: 2016-10-21 09:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beoweasel
I don't know if I can entirely agree with that premise, though? The "effeminate, homosexual crossdresser" is a pretty common cliche in anime and it seems far more common than Bara stereotypes. Then again, wasn't it a stereotype born from kabuki theater? If memory serves, after women were banned from performing in kabuki, this led to a rise of all-male troupes, though not only did the male actors play female roles, they engaged in prostitution (ironically, that was one of the reasons why female kabuki was banned), serving both female and male clients.

Date: 2016-10-22 03:00 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
It's very important to understand that portraying backward ideas about gender and sexuality isn't the same thing as endorsing those ideas, though. Virtually every character in Ranma is an idiot in various ways, so I don't really expect a lot of enlightenment from them. But at least Ranma's mom, when she finally learns the truth, declares that it's Ranma's actions that define his worth, not anything about his body or dress.

Date: 2016-10-20 02:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] quatoria
.......I loved this Anime when I was a little baby trans egg. And.... she was my favorite character. Fuck. I - holy fuck. I'd forgotten all about that. I never put the pieces together. I, uh, I'm a trans woman, for those who don't know. Fuck.

Date: 2016-10-20 07:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Ah yea, Nuriko was my favorite too, and I like to gloss over some bits there ^^

Date: 2016-10-21 12:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kurenai_tenka
Oop, big spoilers! xD This is one of those that I've always figured I probably should watch, but never quite got round to it. One day, maybe.

Date: 2016-10-21 12:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] leoboiko
Fushigi Yūgi! I think it's been like, what, 15 years? Hit me right in the nostalgia.

Date: 2016-10-22 01:50 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lb_lee
Aw man. This is making me want to post scans of How Loathsome, which was one of my baby trans awakenings. Has anyone posted anything from it here?

Date: 2016-10-22 03:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
Ah, Fushigi Yugi! My first foray into the field of Going Into Wikipedia as a Pre-Teen and Finding Out Beloved Childhood Characters Died. Hey, if you've time could you post some of what happened to the others?


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