Date: 2016-11-14 03:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
Marvel should do a Palpatine series. He's a character I'd like to see explored. The novel "Lords of the Sith" had a few glimpses but only that.

This was a series I wish I had picked up but it's hard to tell with tie-in series.

Date: 2016-11-14 04:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
It's worth getting.

Date: 2016-11-14 04:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
For the first time I'm noticing how much Vader's mask resembles a Tusken mask....

Date: 2016-11-14 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Oh, good. Not the only one who thought it looked very Wicker Man-ish.

("Killing me will not bring back yuir precious Bantha!")

Date: 2016-11-14 08:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] captainbellman
"You fool! I've been trained in your Jedi ways by Lord Summerisle!"

*puts Obi-Wan inside a wicker statue and lights him on fire*

Date: 2016-11-14 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
And then five seconds later Obi-Wan just cuts his way out of the wicker statue with his laser sword.

Date: 2016-11-14 11:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
"What do you mean "that was a load bearing leg"?"

Date: 2016-11-16 08:45 am (UTC)

Date: 2016-11-14 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
"What is that? What is that? No! Not the sand! Not the sand! Ahh! It's gotten everywhere! Ahh! Aagghhh!"

Date: 2016-11-15 02:25 am (UTC)
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Date: 2016-11-14 09:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] reveen
I really do like how Aphra survives all this. Because a big recurring trend in the old EU was that Vader was the ultimate, ultimate badass and unless he's going up against Luke/Han/Leia or playing mind games with Sidious, every single character is going to be dead or played like a fiddle by him by the end. Probably both. So it's nice seeing a non-movie character slip through his iron fist for once.

Date: 2016-11-14 11:28 pm (UTC)
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Date: 2016-11-15 12:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mister_terrific
How do you know she slipped through his iron fist? Do you really think he didn't foresee this and allow her to "trick" him. She's a useful asset. Vader is not one to waste such things.

If/when he needs her services, he'll know where to find her.

Date: 2016-11-15 01:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] reveen
Sure, but this kind of thinking annoys me. Too much past fanon and canon liked to paint Vader as this borderline omniscient rational operator who doesn't really ever fuck up, because it's all part of a plan, see.

Vader is powerful and competent, but he should also be fallible. It should be possible for someone to get one over him once in a while. Like, that's the entire reason why he's here in the first place. Because he got punked by a random-ass smuggler and he got the Death Star blown up.

And I really don't see Vader as some subtle manipulator mastermind. Sure he's cunning and will use subterfuge, but he's also always direct and up front about what he wants and what he's doing. If he wanted to retain Aphra as an asset he'd just stick her in a cell.
Edited Date: 2016-11-15 02:53 am (UTC)

Date: 2016-11-15 06:38 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
Sure, but wouldn't he be able to sense if she didn't die? Or is that just for other Force users?

Date: 2016-11-15 08:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Obi Wan felt Alderaan die, so it's not just Force users.

I can imagine he'd shut himself off to Aphra's death though, he can't allow emotional attachments, and he always seemed to sort of like her... in his own weird way.

Date: 2016-11-15 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
This issue really shows why I dislike Vader et all as villains.

They're not bad asses, so much as they are cliches wrapped in excellent costumes.

Vader executes two loyal assets. The first, an effective member of the Empire that he undermined. The second, his only competent agent who played him like a fiddle, knowing that he would always, always betray or execute her.

At best, they're blunt objects, bullies who rely on brute force and utterly lacking in any cunning that's not handwaved as 'The Force'.

Or, in other words, Luthor, Dr. Doom et all could beat them up and take their lunch money

Date: 2016-11-15 04:41 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
The first he was played against by Sidious. The second, well, she broke his directives at some points and had *far* too much inside information....

Or one way of putting it, the Sith are too obsessed with operational security.

Date: 2016-11-16 02:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
"Or one way of putting it, the Sith are too obsessed with operational security."

Except that they're really not.

In the midst of turmoil, of losing massive Empire resources, he pits Vader against a competent and effective General who's only real failing is that he has to deal with Vader, outside his chain of command or ability to reign in. And the General loses his life because of it.

As for Vader's doc, the airlock made it pretty clear that he intended to kill her from the start, and she knew it.

Really, anyone with a wit of sense know that a Dark Side user will betray them for power or any infraction. Even Red Skull can retain smart, competent help (Crossbones). Vader, not so much.

Date: 2016-11-16 04:56 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Hm, point.

*Vader* is obsessed with operation security.

*Sidious* is focused on playing his pawns against each other to keep them 'sharp,' to keep them busy, and possibly just for the fun of it.

Date: 2016-11-15 07:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
Y'know it's interesting to actually see Anakin's slaughter of the Tusken Raider's brought up for once, given how thoroughly it tends to be glossed over, even within Episode II itself. I always find it funny how Anakin is treated as slowly falling to the dark side throughout the Clone Wars show and then Episode III, when for my money, his impulsive slaughter of an entire village, explicitly including men, women, and children, places him pretty firmly on the dark side, not to mention making him straight up terrifying, before any of that.

I don't know how I feel about Aphra's survival. Part of me is a little disappointed, but then I'm not particularly attached to or interested in the character.

Date: 2016-11-17 07:21 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
I always tend to imagine that Anakin's killing the Raiders gets glossed over because the Clone Wars as a whole take precedent, given that the opening battle on Geonosis leads to the war as a whole.

But.. Yeah. It's very, very jarring to have that scene with Yoda going 'oh shit, Young Skywalker is in great pain' immediately after Anakin rages violently over the murder of his mother.. And then nothing comes of it.

That said, the Jedi as a whole feel.. Borderline idiotic and useless outside of combat in the prequels, given their denial of relationships but they can't sense one of the most prominent Jedi in a relationship with a very, very prominent former world leader and senator.


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