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UNCANNY X-MEN #299 is an X-Men issue that, surprisingly, doesn't have a lot of action. It is mostly set up that Magneto is still alive and Professor Xavier debating Senator Robert Kelly on Nightline (but with a guest-host instead of Ted Koppell). But I consider two pages from the issue very inspiring.

The assassination attempt was by Stryke, disguised as Cable. Which was pretty easy since Stryfe was cloned from Cable when they were both babies. In the far future. Comic books are weird.

I've always liked these pages. It points out we're all people, and empathy is not limited by our "own kind."

It also says "Here's why Charles Xavier isn't the biggest hypocrite in the world for not telling people he's a mutant." Although he gets called out in the X-Men/Avengers crossover "Bloodlines," and he admits it was a "simplier time" when he decided to be "a mutant advocate who seemed human."

And then more and more "Charles did a bad, bad thing" retcons started happening because... conflict?

The rest of the issue is good, if mostly a collection of set-ups for future storylines.

Date: 2016-11-20 07:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] freezer
And then more and more "Charles did a bad, bad thing" retcons started happening because... conflict?

I will never not despise that "Professor X was really David Xanatos" turn.

Date: 2016-11-21 01:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] freezer
I think Frakes would make a better Mr. Sinister than Xavier.

Date: 2016-11-20 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
-"And then more and more "Charles did a bad, bad thing" retcons started happening because... conflict?"-

Let's be fair, not all of them were dramatic retcons.
Charles could always be a bit of a jackass.
Like in Kitty's first appearance, there's a scene where the Prof is treating the team like a bunch of teenagers, telling Scot Wolverine's earned demerits for not wanting to be treated like an inexperienced teenager. And when Scott points out that, hey, this is a team of mostly professional adults who know what they're doing, the Prof just goes "you're right, Scott, that IS your fault, but don't worry, I'm going to fix it."

(And then there was that part of X-Treme X-Men where Storm, et all treat him like he's been habitually throwing kittens into furnaces, because... because?)

Date: 2016-11-20 07:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
There's "being a bit of a jackass", and the examples for Charles are many and varied, and then there's "recruiting a whole team of X-Men, in secret, including Scott's long lost brother, getting them killed and then mindwiping everyone to hide his mistakes"

Date: 2016-11-20 08:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sapphite
The problem was that multiple writers all wanted to be the one to counter the "Saintly Xavier" stereotype that had popped up in the X-books. So each one wrote some horrible sin Xavier had committed, because surely we could forgive such a benevolent person a single bad deed right? But when you stack them on top of each other, you pretty much completely alter the character. Before his death during AvX Charles had now covered up the deaths of innocent people (deaths he was ultimately responsible for), consigned a developing AI into seemingly-eternal servitude, conspired with others to secretly influence the world, and spent his nights devising ways to murder his students. Things had gone way beyond "jackass." Hell, they even devoted a mini-series trying to retcon some of this stuff to make it seem less horrible.

Date: 2016-11-20 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
As opposed to all those times where he just caused ways of killing them by accident.

Date: 2016-11-21 12:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] freezer
Exactly. If it were just Cerebra or just the Xavier Protocols or even just the lost X-Men, that would work for the narrative. But when go Lost X-Men AND Cerebra AND Protocols, you go from "Hero with a dark secret" to "super villain."

Date: 2016-11-21 04:38 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
This is pretty much 100% correct.

Date: 2016-11-21 02:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
I guess death was always fated for Xavier hopefully permanent. Seems the writers were fresh out of ideas about his character.

Date: 2016-11-21 03:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] freezer
I would hope writers could give him a better ultimate fate that "Macguffin that lets Red Skull do whatever the plot calls for."

Date: 2016-11-21 03:41 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
Xavier's character was drown in too much mud any sympathy I had for him was quickly turned to "meh". Besides he became a joke after he conceded defeat by telling Erik his dream was the right path.

Date: 2016-11-22 08:43 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
It was part of the initial plot of X-Treme X-Men. The team was looking for Destiny's diaries, but wouldn't trust Charles with them because he was so fundamentally untrustworthy.
In one story, they return to the X-Mansion for reasons involving someone being framed for murder, a teenager, and a Claremont villain who, in an astounding turn, likes kidnapping and mentally enslaving people (*what a twist!*)
At the end of it they talk with Charles and treat him like he's the Worst Person Ever, because... reasons?


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