Jul. 23rd, 2009 01:53 pm
[identity profile] posting in [community profile] scans_daily
Per Jeff Parker, Exiles has been cancelled.

As for EXILES… well, as they say, you can’t save every patient. The best we did was a momentary blip with issue one of the relaunch, and sales went right back to where they were previously. In hindsight, maybe we should have waited a year or two before trying it. It was a blow to me, I was having a great time working with Salva Espin and Casey Jones, and felt I was getting into a good groove with issues that you’ll never see. At least Marvel did me a solid and gave me a double sized issue in 6 to wrap things up. Curious to see what you think of how it… choke… ends.

Well, ::stream of skulls:: There goes another book I was happily picking up.

For legality, have Black Panther being officially designated as the Spidey of the group by Lorna, from issue four.

Date: 2009-07-23 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Mother of fuck.

Damn you Claremont, damn you to hell for this.

Mod note

Date: 2009-07-23 06:41 pm (UTC)
ext_395453: (Molly - Mod Hat)
From: [identity profile]
As per our community ethos, please do not make personal attacks here.

Re: Mod note

Date: 2009-07-23 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
...minor clarification: Can we still scream LIEEEEFEEEELD and LAAAAND in horror?

Re: Mod note

Date: 2009-07-23 07:03 pm (UTC)
ext_395453: (Bubo HMMMMMM)
From: [identity profile]
Neither are personal attacks as I recognize them. Damning someone to hell, well, that certainly seems like one to me.

Re: Mod note

Date: 2009-07-24 12:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
One would imagine the offender must first possess the authority to damn someone to hell.

Re: Mod note

Date: 2009-07-24 09:24 am (UTC)
ext_395453: (Shaun - Er?)
From: [identity profile]
Well, if I tell someone to "fucking drop dead", I'd consider that to be a personal attack, even though I don't have the power to actually make it happen. I don't think insults are about literal power, when it comes down to it.

Date: 2009-07-23 08:22 pm (UTC)
ext_396464: (Default)
From: [identity profile]
Because Exiles was doing great in sales before Claremont came along, right?

Date: 2009-07-23 10:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
yeah, really it was Claremont's run that kind of attached a stigma to the name.

Maybe they ought to try to outline with a different name.

Date: 2009-07-23 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] (from
"Damn you Claremont, damn you to hell for this."

Claremont wasn't responsible for the comic being canceled.

That would be the fault of THE FANS for not buying it. Which is the truth for EVERY canceled series, quality or not.

So instead of cursing creators and publishers for this sort of thing, maybe you should curse yourself or at least your fellow geeks.

Date: 2009-07-24 04:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Not necessarily. If a writer/artist is so bad it drives peopel away from the book then it's their fault the sales drop and why people are less likely to come back to it. Sure, we're not buying but that's the proper response when given crap in exchange for our money and we can't be blamed for being hesitant to try again, assuming we even hear it's better now.

Date: 2009-07-23 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I hope they collect this in a trade. I literally learned of this version of Exiles last week, and while I'm not normally an Exiles fan, a team with both Hank and Forge and Lorna (I like green hair) would have definitely found its way to my pull list.

Date: 2009-07-23 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
... Well that sucks.

Date: 2009-07-23 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
On the good news front, Parker confirms that Marvel is committed to trying to keep AoA around (the Agents vs. X-Men two-part mini being taken by some as a phase-out thing; apparently they're just trying to get more people to read it).

Date: 2009-07-23 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Hrm. Maybe we can get Casey Jones to draw it? Not that I have anything against Pagulyan, I'm just really going to miss Casey Jones.

Date: 2009-07-23 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Too bad. Much like the Excalibur property, this one has probably gone through so much in the last few years that it's exhausted for the near-future (and just when both were getting really good again).

I'll enjoy the remainder of the series.

Date: 2009-07-23 06:49 pm (UTC)
ext_395453: (Emma - Talk to the hand)
From: [identity profile]
Can't say I'm surprised. Sales figures on Exiles were dwindling throughout its run and the second issue of the relaunched series saw a third of the readership drop off. Honestly, I'm surprised the concept's lasted as long as it has. Even if there hadn't been relaunches and the title had continued sliding as it was, it still would have been firmly in the cancellation zone.

Date: 2009-07-23 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
not surprised, when people can't afford titles set in the main DC/Marvel universes, they're not going to be buying titles set in alternate ones.

Date: 2009-07-23 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Considering how bad most titles set in the main Marvel Universe have been in the past two years, I'm actually more likely to buy au titles.

Date: 2009-07-23 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
agreed, but S_D members are hardly representative of the overall readership.

Date: 2009-07-23 08:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Motto. I'm going to be bummed if AoA starts messing around with the universe at large more in their regular title. I haven't had a problem thusfar, but I just don't have enough of a Marvel background to stay interested.

(All I know about Marvel I learnt from s_d and XTAS and whatever Spider-man cartoon they had running in the early 90s.)

Date: 2009-07-23 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Maybe Marvel will replace it with ANOTHER Avengers book...

Date: 2009-07-23 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
don't be silly. they'll be replacing it with another Wolverine book.

Date: 2009-07-24 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Wolverine Team-up book ! (rolls eyes)

Date: 2009-07-24 02:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Dark Exiles?

Date: 2009-07-25 03:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Nah, Wolverine's Day Off will be the new comic. It will deal with the quieter, calmer side of Wolverine's life, such as doing his laundry and shopping for beer. And it will of course debute in the top ten.

Date: 2009-07-23 08:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Good. The book was getting more interesting, but I agree with Parker. They really should have let it rest for at least a year, so that everybody could pretend the Claremont run never happened.
I'm sure it'll get picked up again. Alternate Universes are far too tempting a concept to be ignored forever. Who knows, maybe a future writer might even discover one that is not about mutants all the goddamn time.

Date: 2009-07-23 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
*incoherent swearing*

Damn, you'd think they'd let the title get at least a year's worth of issues under its belt before canceling it.

Man, this was well-written and entertaining. Something noticeably lacking in Marvel's main line.

Date: 2009-07-23 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I hope it will come back in 5 or 6 years. Perhaps with more attention given to the alternate realities, this time.

Now what I want to know is what will be Salvador Espin's next work! His art blew me up!

Date: 2009-07-23 09:57 pm (UTC)
ext_396524: (Default)
From: [identity profile]
Eh, they've got the concept firmly in place. It's something that can be played with again by future writers and eventually brought back. Parker did a good job with what he had.

Date: 2009-07-23 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I think this is why I like DC more then Marvel. DC gives titles a frigging chance, Marvel? You've got 6-12 issues to prove it or lose it.

Date: 2009-07-23 10:25 pm (UTC)
ext_396524: (Default)
From: [identity profile]
Oh, come on now. There are a lot of borderline titles at Marvel that they supported through several different volumes and print runs despite lukewarm to actively bad sales, like She-Hulk, Spider-Girl, and Runaways.

DC's done its share of rapid cancellations, too; I liked Bloodhound a few years ago, and there was Hard Time and the abruptly truncated Bad Girls.

Date: 2009-07-23 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
She-Hulk? When did that sell badly? I always thought it sold 20k+.

Spider-Girl, I always thought they were JUST barely making a profit on it, although I'll agree that if it were most other titles it would have been canceled.

Runaways sells excellently in digest, which is why it didn't get canceled.

I've never heard of those series though, so maybe you're right.

Date: 2009-07-23 10:58 pm (UTC)
ext_395453: (Juno - Hello I'm Drunk)
From: [identity profile]
Being part of Time Warner also means that their profit margins are greater, or something, so they're able to continue producing books that sell numbers that the wholly independent Marvel will cancel. That's the way I've always understood it, anyway.

Date: 2009-07-23 11:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile]
She-Hulk sold poorly enough in its original run under Slott that, while it was critically lauded, it was close to cancellation until the decision was made to relaunch it.

Spider-Girl benefited heavily from several different letter-writing campaigns to save the book, but never found an audience that was quite large enough to justify continuing to put the book out.

I'd also point out that Marvel has done its best in recent memory to attach its new series to some manner of crossover or big event, so at least they start strong. If they don't continue as such, which they don't seem to do unless a given book is visibly attached to one of the big franchises, they pull the plug. A business cannot be faulted for acting to perpetuate itself.

Date: 2009-07-23 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Set, Horus, Ishtar and Thoth! There goes the only Marvel on my pull list. Not because I don't want to load up with 10 Marvels every week, just that life is all about choices and bouncing around the multiverse is one of my favorite things in the known time-space continuum.


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